Posted Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:13 pm GMT by Carson Cashman
Sure there are a handful of books out there on ready tells, but those all assume a live game.
Does anyone have any idea how to read tells when playing online? I've thought about this quite a bit, and can only come up with reaction time as an online tell. Since alot of these online poker rooms have an "auto" button, like auto check or auto bet, I've discovered that people usually don't click the auto-check button unless they really don't have anything and don't want to commit another bet. Some clever players click the auto-check button for check raises, being aware of this "tell" themselves.
Thoughts? I really can't think of any other online tells.
Seems like this fact would dramatically change your game around.
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Posted Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:05 am GMT by Adam Marshall
I think there are lots of online tells!
Tells include ANYTHING that can tell you about a player, so the amount of time to decide whether to bet, call, fold is a big factor, but there are more.
For instance, I watch players who like to use the chat feature more than others. Someone who talks and talks is probably someone who is comfortable with online gambling and isn't a newbie. Also, you tend to see people who say stuff like "Hey King69, haven't seen you in a while  -" or something like that that means that this is someone who knows his players and has been on this particular online poker room for a while.
If somebody asks a question like "what's a bad beat jackpot?", you know they aren't familiar with poker all too much.
I don't know how far this will affect your decision making process to identify a player like one of those though. Any thoughts?
Posted Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:56 am GMT by Nytecaster
One of the most obvious tells that I have found are those who check from the blind and then almost immediately check on the flop. If that flop contains an ace (or two face cards) then you are almost certain that they are not going to stay in the hand. When you can peg someone on this tell you might as well be able to see their cards.
However, this does not tend to work when you are headsup since they are aware that you are paying attention and may tend to act like they are considering their hand to keep you from betting them off ... so the reverse tends to be true in these situations. When I am headsup and they check quickly, unless they are completely tight I would consider that a warning sign and play cautiously until I know for sure that they play it the same as if they were against many opponents.
Posted Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:51 am GMT by Guest
The main thing you can analyze online is a players betting patterns. I keep a notebook next to me when I'm playing and make notes on how people at the table are betting.
As far as betting time, I'm not sure about that. If someone takes a long time to bet they could just have run to the kitchen to grab another brew :D
Posted Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:28 am GMT by Paul Newman
I see Higgum at the table.....that TELL(s) me I getting paid off soon. 
Posted Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:33 pm GMT by Carson Cashman
Posted Fri Feb 07, 2003 6:34 pm GMT by Frogconcept
I involuntarily type "TWITCH" everytime I have an A in the pocket 
Posted Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:12 am GMT by Al29
heh heh, lmao at that one Froggy..... 
Posted Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:07 am GMT by kluCAR
If someone bets late just because he just have run to the kitchen to grab another brew he definetely doesnt have good cards. Imagine you v got American Airlines and there is one A on the floop. Would you go to the kitchen at that time?! I dont think so....
Posted Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:04 am GMT by tonytal
People who use the button that automatically raises whatever bet is on the table typically have a decent hand. Very few use this to bluff.
TT
Posted Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:19 pm GMT by watchdawg68
It have found taking the first little while to get to know the players style is the best thing you can do. Take notes on their type of play ( johnnyp - tight player, SuzyQ calls almost everything, very reckless and tries to bully you into folding.)
Trust your instinctincts they are the best tool you have. Remember you can't figure everyone out but you can figure out alot of them.
I have gotten to the point at some tables I am able to consitantly call the cards they have before they are ever shown. A betting pattern is a great tell but you have to pay attention to what they end up doing over the course of several hands, do they fold or if they show what were they holding. After a few hands you may have them pegged. :D
I cant believe how many people in real money games are playing some serious junk hands. It kills me to loose on the river when I have them beat the whole way and they draw out. These are the people who love to play "No fold-em" poker.
Play very tight at first and just "get to know" the types of players at your table.
Watchdawg
Posted Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:59 pm GMT by Poker_Vendetta
Right now what I try to do is put people on certain hands. That is basically just about what I am trying to do every hand, as well as how I should bet or check-raise or what not if I have a huge hand developing. ^ You are entirely correct, if you know thy enemy (trying to sound realistic to Sun Tzu), and know thy self...a 1000 battles, a 1000 victories. No one is perfect but you can do your best to minimize your weaknesses and exploit your opponents because of theirs.
Posted Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:30 pm GMT by Poker_Vendetta
In the recent periods, if I combine a little instinct with it...the time it takes people to check can mean extreme strength. If they hesistate for a second maybe, they are acting like..."Ahh hell, what should I do?" Where in reality they are hoping to be able to check-raise and may be checking to just go all in on the river. It seems to work.
Posted Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:35 am GMT by JimTheBullet
Most people on this thread seem to be indicating that information can be gained from the length of time it takes players to act. I agree that this could yield information at times but the trouble is that you don't know how much of the delay is caused by thinking (real or acted) and how much is caused by internet delay. I have certainly pretended to think at times to give some misinformation but equally I have acted instantly to send a message and then seen my crappy dial up connection turn my confident instant raise into a hesitant doubting one. I think it is therefore very dangerous to read anything into a delay.
Of course, if you want to take a tell from an instant bet or raise (provided you are playing in a game where there is no predefined option to bet or raise) then go ahead and do so because lag can only simulate hesitancy, not instant action.
Posted Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:49 pm GMT by snoogins47
Depending on the player, and the software, bet amounts can sometimes be a tell too.
For instance, in games where there is a slider to bet, but you can also type...
Some people will tend to type in exact #s for their bets in order to make them seem more intimidating, but if they want a call, will just throw an uneven number up with the slider.
Some people do the inverse, some people do it the same way every time, etc... so of course, like any tell, it's far from fool-proof. It's just something that i haven't seen anybody mention yet, and something that you should definitely at least take note of.
Posted Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:44 am GMT by Dave B
I have noticed playing NL sit and goes that if the blinds are 25/50, a raise of 110-125TC gets more respect than just clicking the raise button. It really shouldnt matter, but it seems like it does.
Posted Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:11 pm GMT by BrianGre
I would agree with you Dave... it appears that a simple raise for most of the online players indicates that you are fishing ...
Posted Sun Mar 14, 2004 12:42 pm GMT by m3racer
When playing online, time to bet is NOT a good tell usually for me. I know when I play on my laptop, it takes a lot longer to bet because its harder to move the slider for the bet with the touch pad vs. the mouse. Just a thought....
Posted Sat May 15, 2004 2:21 am GMT by RhythmA
"Twitch" "Twitch"
Posted Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:43 am GMT by RU469
If you use time as an indicator of a hand I want to play you!
Haha, I vary my times for the following reasons:
1. I'm playing 3 tables at once
2. I need to think
3. I just want to make you wait and sweat
Just my $.02!
Posted Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:35 am GMT by dengar
Becareful when taking too much time when betting. I know that for the longest time, if I had the nuts I would take forever to bet, especially if I was throwing up a large amount of money.
One time I was in a good sized hand and the river blessed me by completing my ace high flush. The other guy was calling everything with a set. He bet and I waited for a little while with all intentions of raising and going all in, and thats when it happened. My computer froze up on me it made me merely call his bet. I lost about 30 bucks because I was trying to tell bluff, but my computer screwed me.
This was on a real money table, not a tournament.
Posted Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:45 pm GMT by Bleakill
well..in online game you can really distinguish between 2 time periods, when he presses auto- button and when he actually takes his time to manually click the button/set the amount of bet. from what i learned and read, there are some useful tells..
1. autocheck=crappy hand, just trying to see extra cards for free
2. autoraise (raise any) = almost always a premium hand preflop, as well as after the flop
3. autocall = mediocre, low hand
4. takes time to check = trying to establish "a position of strength" or deciding to check-raise
5. takes time to call = cant say... pretty much anything
6. takes time to raise = beware of bluff/draws or might be calculating odds (therefore draw/underpair). again, may try to establish "a position of strength"
Posted Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:46 am GMT by Geno
Wow, this is one of the first ever threads........
All those 6 points above really come under one category which is 'auto-betting' so we'll call that one tell.
Betting patterns are just about the only other tell you can get and they can be very useful, which is why I tend to play one table at once so that I can get a decent read on my opponents for the latter stages of a game (I play SnG games so it's entirely relevant). I make a lot of my hands late on based on what I know about a player and almost regardless of my cards. This doesn't really apply to MTT which is why I am a bit crappy at them
Posted Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:40 am GMT by Idaho
I think online it's all about position and bet sizes. I used to try and steal from an early position all the time but now don't bother. However I will always bet when checked to. It invites the check raise - but that is a major tell. If someone check raises me I can say for sure that they are fed up with me stealing and have hit a good hand. If I've also hit then I am guaranteed a call for all my chips.
Posted Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:50 pm GMT by KINGJACK
The most usefull tell i use online is the bettin patern on the flush draw...
I notice moste poeple act the exact same way when they are on a flush draw on the flop.
So, when you've seen it once, you can say with 75-80% of accurecy when they are on a fluh draw and react the way you should in this situation.
If you look for tells in online poker I assume you know how to react facing a flush draw... :D
Posted Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:13 pm GMT by Imajica1975
These are all great bits of advice.
But just to play devil's advocate for a bit....
One of the aspects to my online game is that I mess with the timing all the time.
1st Great hand - wait 10 seconds
2nd Great hand- instant raise as fast as I can
bad hand - instant raise
bad hand -fold
bad hand - fold
bad hand - fold
bad hand - wait 5 seconds
...well, you get the idea.
I don't know how many people I have gotten to call my nutz all-in raise just because I waited 10 or 15 seconds to do it, but I'd bet it is a lot.
Thing is, as mentioned earier in this thread, timing can mean opposite things for different players. Plus you have guys like me out there trying to exploit the other players by sending off fake tells.
Here's a good lesson I learned from George Castanza (Seinfeld) about sending wrong tells to trap your opponent, without looking like Captain Obvious doing it.
"It's not a lie, if you believe it."
In otherwords... when you are holding A  7 and the flop comes A  A  7  , don't play the hand like you just flopped a boat. Pretend you only have a pair of 7's and bet like you only have a pair of 7's until the river and then WHAM! Go all-in like it is your first day ever playing poker.
It works.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 10:52 am GMT by AAceman
can u say....POKERTRACKER?
if i see a guy who only plays 7% of his hands u just know he doesnt have a 2,3,4,5,6,7 in his hand. He plays big hands..............Mostly
I just gives u the edge.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 11:09 am GMT by Muck
| Dave B wrote: | | I have noticed playing NL sit and goes that if the blinds are 25/50, a raise of 110-125TC gets more respect than just clicking the raise button. It really shouldnt matter, but it seems like it does. |
TBH I sometimes see the re-raise button as a sign the player doesn’t appreciate some aspects of NL, like odds manipulation.
Quite often I see two players doing the minimum raise back and forth a few of times while I just wonder “what’s with these tiny increments?”.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:26 am GMT by BncStylee
I alway check the hand history to see with what kind of cards people are going to the showdown.. it's incredible to see players that are calling all the way down with just a high-card ace when it's obvious the opps has better hands... or a 22 that goes all the way to the show-down even if there are some face cards on the board...
The hand-history combined with PT gives you a good idea of you opps starting requirements...
Posted Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:37 pm GMT by Peter Piper
Well. guys... frankly speaking, I didn't believe in online tells too much, cuz you don't get the visual tells and what else is there to help you win?
I did know that you do jugde by what others say in forums or by the speed they react with...
But after I've read all your posts and a couple of articles on the net I finally got it!!!
I found the following especially of help:
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t282/learning-tells
and also this one:
http://www.launchpoker.com/poker_fun/psychology/-online-poker-tells-/
Posted Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:25 pm GMT by Captain Blood
I really don't think there are any online tells for a particular hand. It is impossible to tell from how a person bets or how fast they bet. Sometimes when you think people are thinking really hard, in actuality they are taking a whizzz or arguing with the wife and kids.
The only thing I can suggest is to watch a person and how they handle pressure. If they come out strong and fold if someone goes over the top then you know they are weak.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:32 am GMT by Muck
| Peter Piper wrote: |
Well. guys... frankly speaking, I didn't believe in online tells too much, cuz you don't get the visual tells and what else is there to help you win?
|
Betting patterns.
I don’t bother trying to spot facial ticks or assuming meaning behind a click pause, but I do analyse how much a player bets and when. This can tell you if they understand odds, how well they can read, if they are too aggressive or like to slow play. It's also usually a good indicator of their starting hands when they make a pre-flop raise.
The information comes up in every single hand even if you’re not active, it’s impossible to conceal (unless they vary their play and few do) and it works on-line and in the real world.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:40 am GMT by Captain Blood
| Muck wrote: | | Peter Piper wrote: |
Well. guys... frankly speaking, I didn't believe in online tells too much, cuz you don't get the visual tells and what else is there to help you win?
|
Betting patterns.
I don’t bother trying to spot facial ticks or assuming meaning behind a click pause, but I do analyse how much a player bets and when. This can tell you if they understand odds, how well they can read, if they are too aggressive or like to slow play. It's also usually a good indicator of their starting hands when they make a pre-flop raise.
The information comes up in every single hand even if you’re not active, it’s impossible to conceal (unless they vary their play and few do) and it works on-line and in the real world. |
Betting patterns are bogus information. I routinely alter my betting patterns to throw people off. The ONLY reliable tells are in public facing somebody; like if their hands shake on a big hand, and even then that is tough.
Bottom line: Play your cards and NOT your opponent. Books tell you just the opposite. But if you play your opponent and not your cards you are in deep chit.
For instance if you make the minimum ante with 56s and then throw 4x in for high pockets consistently I can read you. If you vary that then I know nothing.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:44 am GMT by Muck
| Captain Blood wrote: | | Muck wrote: | | Peter Piper wrote: |
Well. guys... frankly speaking, I didn't believe in online tells too much, cuz you don't get the visual tells and what else is there to help you win?
|
Betting patterns.
I don’t bother trying to spot facial ticks or assuming meaning behind a click pause, but I do analyse how much a player bets and when. This can tell you if they understand odds, how well they can read, if they are too aggressive or like to slow play. It's also usually a good indicator of their starting hands when they make a pre-flop raise.
The information comes up in every single hand even if you’re not active, it’s impossible to conceal (unless they vary their play and few do) and it works on-line and in the real world. |
Betting patterns are bogus information. I routinely alter my betting patterns to throw people off. The ONLY reliable tells are in public facing somebody; and even then that is tough.
Bottom line: Play your cards and NOT your opponent and vary your betting style. For instance if you make the minimum ante with 56s and then throw 4x in for high pockets consistently I can read you. If you vary that then I know nothing. Books tell you just the opposite. But if you play your opponent and not your cards you are in deep chit. |
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:49 am GMT by Captain Blood
Seriously just play your cards like a rock. Don't get into head games or it will make an easy game difficult.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:55 am GMT by Muck
Don’t get me wrong I’m not talking about anything fancy here, I don’t try thinking 5 levels above a decision. But I don’t ignore information either, if you like to play without reads that’s cool. I just find they help my EV.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:07 am GMT by DougisRad
| Captain Blood wrote: | | Seriously just play your cards like a rock. Don't get into head games or it will make an easy game difficult. |
With certain players, prior experience can help you find out their tendencies. For instance, last night I played a turbo, and one of the guys in there had a note on him from a prior SnG against him. It said "Can't get away from top pair, good kicker." I never remember playing him before, but it helped. I had AJ in the SB, 3 limpers, I decide to limp as I typically lose money with AJ. Flop comes KTQ, and I've flopped the nut straight with no flush possibilities. I check, 2 players check, said opponent bets the pot. I call, the other 2 move. Next card is a rag, I check, he bets, I call. River is a rag, I bet, he raises, I push he calls with KJ. Without that knowledge, I would have played faster earlier in the hand and possibly missed an opportunity.
Also, the next SnG of the night, I noticed a player trap with trips, so I used this information when I flopped 2 pair (from the BB) 6s and 3s. Doubled up and crippled him.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:07 am GMT by Captain Blood
| Muck wrote: | | Don’t get me wrong I’m not talking about anything fancy here, I don’t try thinking 5 levels above a decision. But I don’t ignore information either, if you like to play without reads that’s cool. I just find they help my EV. |
I am not trying to be combative at all. I seek knowledge. Can you give me a specific example of how you use an online tell and how you counter that with your actions?
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:51 am GMT by Muck
Okay say I’m heads up with a straight draw on the flop. I consider a semi-bluff bet. I look at my opponents notes.
"Calls with any pair, can’t release a hand, good implied odds."
Now if the guy’s a call station it’s not worth making a semi-bluff. You don’t have any fold equity and you’re wasting chips building the pot if he’ll call an over bet when you make your hand anyway.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:15 am GMT by Captain Blood
| Muck wrote: | Okay say I’m heads up with a straight draw on the flop. I consider a semi-bluff bet. I look at my opponents notes.
"Calls with any pair, can’t release a hand, good implied odds."
Now if the guy’s a call station it’s not worth making a semi-bluff. You don’t have any fold equity and you’re wasting chips building the pot if he’ll call an over bet when you make your hand anyway. |
That is all fine and dandy as long as your notes are the gospel. People who trust notes are right 50% of the time. Why you ask? Several reasons.
1. Many and I mean MANY players let other players use their accounts. Every 'pro' player I know (90% of them) specifically has his brother, uncle or friend play using his account on a regular basis to mess up those who woud take notes. Personally I have my daughter, son-in-law, and my son play with my account.
2. Notes do not take into account that the person improves his play over time. Most people do get better and the rule of thumb is that if you have seen a player online for a long time you have to assume he has been playing a ton of hands and he must have improved. If he did not improve he must be terribly rich to lose all that money as he surely can't be a winner.
3. If he is a calling station it is not indicative of a bad hand. Gus Hansen is a calling station for the most part. He will play WAY past the point most people will get out. He just has mastered the fine edge of knowing when to play and when to pray.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:41 am GMT by Muck
I never take anything as gospel there are always lots of factors to consider reads are just one of them.
1 and 2
Most of my notes are made during the life span of one session. Old notes are rare on big networks like Party anyway.
When playing in real life the identity issues are easier to resolve
3. That doesn’t really address how the tell is used and is profitable. I don’t put my opponent on a bad hand, I put him as a player who will call a bad bet. I doubt Gus Hansen would do that.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:49 am GMT by Captain Blood
| Muck wrote: | I never take anything as gospel there are always lots of factors to consider reads are just one of them.
1 and 2
Most of my notes are made during the life span of one session. Old notes are rare on big networks like Party anyway.
When playing in real life the identity issues are easier to resolve
3. That doesn’t really address how the tell is used and is profitable. I don’t put my opponent on a bad hand, I put him as a player who will call a bad bet. I doubt Gus Hansen would do that. |
You are exremely confident in your system. I like that. I would very much enjoy playing with you at a table on Stars. Not heads up. That shows me nothing for the most part. I would love to watch you interact with a table full of players at say a $25+2 Turbo NL Sit-n-Go. Any tables lower than that seem to get players that are just insane and will go all in with 49o.
Want to see if we can hook up and do this? I would love it!
PS: As a side note, I REALLY enjoy exchanging thoughts with you. So many people get hostile when I put them on the spot or challenge them. It is refreshing to post with someone who is not hypersensitive and think anyone that doesn't agree with them is "attacking" them personally.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:12 am GMT by Loonbat
I'm not one who takes notes as often as I should and the ones "f*cking moron" don't do much good when referring to specific tendancies. However, I find the notes I do take to be valuable ...
Aside: On Skribbles (Dave_Babych8) "Tilting 2/4 FL donkey maniac"
Seriously, I've had notes save me and make me money. Specifics such as "overplays top pair, overbets draws, raises UTG with 2 overs and small pps, always bluffs at river with missed draws" or ones which lead me in another direction ... "plays only top 10 hands, always raises on the button, always makes a continuation bet after button raise, holds small pps to the river" ...
While hard to quantify, my notes have (generically) made me money. Once in awhile I do have to alter perceptions, however, as a person evolves or as another person seems to play their account.
Never will my notes be the whole puzzle, merely another piece of information for me to utilize.
And I believe online players have tells, but I've typed too much already for this post ...
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:12 am GMT by Muck
I wouldn’t call it a system, it’s just a bit more information that would hopefully allow me to improve my decisions a little. It’s not as if it’s going to turn me into the surprise winner of this years WSOP
I’m not much of a turbo’s fan, I prefer slower blinds so I have more time to watch how people play and wait for the hands I’d prefer to play. As for $25 +2 that’s a bit higher than I usually play (£10 + 1) for now I’ll stick to cheap games and doubling through on people playing 49o
I was tempted to get a PS account for the heads up tournament that’s coming soon but I’m sick of all this damn registering. I must have hundreds of quid spread over different sites wasting interest. Not just poker, I could do with empting places like BetFair and PayPal too.
I don’t think heads up is much of a measure either. I wish there were more league MTTs to create a better results average. But there’s not much that can be done about that I’m not going to stump up the prize fund
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:04 pm GMT by DougisRad
I think my post was skipped in this thread.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:55 pm GMT by Captain Blood
| DougisRad wrote: | | I think my post was skipped in this thread. |
I reread your post. That is good information if you believe everything you see. Again I honestly believe that taking notes is a security blanket for YOU and not valuable information to make judgements on that involve lots of money.
You keep notes, that is great for you. I do not keep notes and focus intently on the game and give 100% of my attention to the flow of the game. 2 different styles.
Do you see professional players keeping notes at the tables in live matches?
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:02 pm GMT by supafrey
David Williams did it at one of the wpt events.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:25 pm GMT by zinn0
| supafrey wrote: | | David Williams did it at one of the wpt events. |
So did raymer at the 04 wsop...we all see what it got him.
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:45 pm GMT by DougisRad
| Captain Blood wrote: | | DougisRad wrote: | | I think my post was skipped in this thread. |
I reread your post. That is good information if you believe everything you see. Again I honestly believe that taking notes is a security blanket for YOU and not valuable information to make judgements on that involve lots of money.
You keep notes, that is great for you. I do not keep notes and focus intently on the game and give 100% of my attention to the flow of the game. 2 different styles.
Do you see professional players keeping notes at the tables in live matches? |
No, you will rarely see that. However, ask 100 professionals if they keep hand-written notes that they take after each session, I bet at least 90 would confirm it. While you might find note-taking in online games futile, I must express that either a) you aren't using them correctly or b) you're fine without them.
At higher stakes, note taking online can be a little misleading, yes. Players know how to alter their game. However, in lower, and even middle stakes games, these players are predictable once you have a feel. Hence my examples. The check-raise trapper ALWAYS did this when he hit what he perceived as the best hand. If I hadn't had the note, things may have been different.
Lastly, if you play well w/o notes, don't take notes. But don't say it's pointless in general. :D
Posted Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:17 pm GMT by Captain Blood
| DougisRad wrote: | | Lastly, if you play well w/o notes, don't take notes. But don't say it's pointless in general. :D |
Point well taken. I equate notes to Linus' having to have his security blanket from the cartoon strip 'peanuts.' But that does not mean that they are not important to players who play at lower levels and are predictable. I agree with your point.
My point is that notes to me are a waste of time as your method of taking notes can lead to false information. In my opinion the time spent taking them detracts from getting a feel for the game you are in and you will lose the context of how others are dealing with certain situations today, not last month.
Posted Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:44 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I always put a date on my notes.
Posted Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:51 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | I always put a date on my notes. |
You are such a neat and orderly guy. :D
I prefer going with my read and sucking them out on the river.
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 5:27 pm GMT by Dali25
When a overbet is placed its USUALY a bluff
Posted Tue May 09, 2006 7:31 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| Dali25 wrote: | | When a overbet is placed its USUALY a bluff |
I love that line of thinking, it makes it very profitable to push.
'What...noone is stupid enough to push their house! I call'
'Bugger me timbers, what a donk, he pushed his boat!'
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 9:28 am GMT by Dali25
| tame_deuces wrote: | | Dali25 wrote: | | When a overbet is placed its USUALY a bluff |
I love that line of thinking, it makes it very profitable to push.
'What...noone is stupid enough to push their house! I call'
'Bugger me timbers, what a donk, he pushed his boat!' |
It depends on what kind of players your facing of course
Posted Wed May 10, 2006 1:12 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I put little 's all over my notes.
There is no definite in poker, online or live. You just have to learn a player's tendencies and trust you instincts.
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