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Posted Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:28 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
I was thinking of moving to seattle with a friend, mostly for a change in texture, and I wouldn't mind being a poker dealer - how does one go about it? Do you need to hit a dealer school, or is it enough to just know what you're doing? Is there a huge demand, or a huge line?
Edit: Also, are there any ethical problems with dealing at one place and playing at another?
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Posted Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:31 am GMT by Phil14312
Just talking to some dealers that have dealt for me it seems that dealing at one place but playing at another is actually good practice. The people you play against are the ones who are going to tip you, so it makes sense not to constantly win pots against those same people who give you your best tips.
Posted Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:22 am GMT by JohnnyCache
oh, I assumed it was someplace else or not at all - I wouldn't sit down at someplace that I worked, that's just beggin' for an issue to crop up.
But I was wondering like, if some card rooms didn't want you playing anywhere .. .
Posted Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:31 am GMT by groton
not that i heard
when i worked at Foxwoods in Securty i used to play all the time at Moehagan sun.
lucky i left Foxwoods before The SUN closed there poker room
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:10 pm GMT by Cyberhwk
Dealer (but not Poker) in Washington State.
It is very, very hard to get a job dealing poker right off the bat. Poker dealers tend to make a good amount more money than pit/blackjack dealers so you generally have to pay your dues working the ole midnight 'till 7:30AM shift (where I'm heading in 3 hours) and work your way up the ladder before you will even be considered to work the poker room. Even then you kind of need to know someone; but getting to know the people in charge is important so maybe if you make some good friends in the Seattle poker scene and bring it up you might have some opurtunites. (And yes there IS a big poker scene up here).
You DO need training which from what I've seen is usually just one-on-one showing the difference between pit dealing and poker dealing, but as I mentioned that's for people that already know basic card dealing techniques and need to learn only a couple more things.
WE can gamble anywhere we want as long as it's not in our employee uniform and no less than 1 hour before our shift starts. I used to play poker at my place of work, then again I'm not very good and it satisfied a couple of people to be able to take my money after I kicked their ass at Blackjack. :D
Among dealers it's actually HIGHLY ENCOURAGED to come to the tables to play a couple dollars. It may be specific to the fact our house is small, but playing poker and blackjack is a good way to build a report with your customers...which in turn hopefully gets you more tips.
Cyberhwk
/made $269 in tips on Wednesday 
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:23 pm GMT by tonytal
I am NOT a dealer but was interested in becoming one. I went to http://www.dealer-training.com. For someone who doesn't know about dealing mechanics and stuff the course was pretty good. I still think that you would need to employ the help of a real dealer to make sure that you are doing things right. I think I paid $195 bucks for the course. There was a ONE YEAR money back guarantee. I eventually used the guarantee once I realized that I don't have time to be a dealer.
From what I understand you will need to audition for a job for which you will need to know some technical and mechanical stuff. . . . .more than you think you may know.
Check out that website though. The course is pretty cool and a lot cheaper than a dealer school. If you don't like it or change your mind you can get your money back like I did.
TT
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:14 pm GMT by General Sal
I don't know about the situation in other states, but I can tell you first hand that it is pretty good out here in Las Vegas. Actually, last night my buddy was telling me that he might go back to poker school because you definitely make more money, and you don't declare as much as each dealer retains his own tips. He told me he watched the dealers at the Aladdin and they were sooooo slow. We also find out that they pretty much higher anyone out of school at the Sahara. I'd recommend that you try out a school definitely. Poker is a little jacked up in prices right now... I think it's $399 or $499. (Blackjack was about $200 for me.)
Anyone who's moving to Vegas, go ahead and give me a buzz. I can hook you up at school and I have a little bit of juice considering my roommate is a teacher at the dealing school. I do this only as a favor as someone once helped me when I had a crappy salesman job.
Posted Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:23 pm GMT by mindgame
Come to Northwest Indiana. Our idiot state gaming commission won't let dealers keep tips, so they move on to greener pastures as soon as they get decent. Harrah's East Chicago hires a crop on new poker dealers--no experience necessary--and pays them min. wage for 3 weeks while they come to poker school. Then they are out on the floor...inflicted on us. We are the REAL dealers school, and most of us are nice about it.
Anyway...you work here 6 or 8 months and you can go anywhere. A lot of them do.
Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:54 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| mindgame wrote: | | Our idiot state gaming commission won't let dealers keep tips |
Are you talking about tip pooling or are they not allowed to be tipped? Tip pooling vs. 'keeping' (I guess...) is probably one of the most touchy subjects. On one hand some are better dealers than others, on the other hand what gets you tips might not nessesarily make you a "better dealer."
If they aren't allowed to be tipped, I can't understand why ANYONE would do the job... 
Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:03 am GMT by Muck
What are you trying to score? 8)
Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:07 am GMT by mindgame
The tip thing....
Dealers are not allowed to keep their own tips. The money goes into a pool and is cut up equally by hours worked. Penalizes the better dealers, IMO.
Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:23 am GMT by Always_Bored
Here in Ontario we have quit a few rules. You are not allowed to play in the casino you work for. All tips are pooled and divided evenly amongst all the dealers. Which allows dealers to be jerks because they still get tips.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:16 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| mindgame wrote: | | Dealers are not allowed to keep their own tips. The money goes into a pool and is cut up equally by hours worked. Penalizes the better dealers, IMO. |
Oh, OK, gottcha. From what I've seen about half of casinos pool tips, half don't. The one I work at does not.
I would probably make more money at a casino that DID, but it's not really an issue to me. I've kind of gotten the reputation for being a killer (as would everyone else if they did their job, but that's beside the point,  ).
Posted Wed May 04, 2005 9:43 am GMT by andrasnm
so here is my 2 cents. Pooled tips are not the worst thing in the world. We do it too. Our poker room does not. There is always a migration from pit dealers to poker as it is a higher form of life/job. So when moving to poker you need 2 things, take a poker school no matter how useless it is and be ready to run chips in a room and deal occasionaly only for a few months. If you are ready to move to Vegas or Chicago you maybe able to avoid that, Some of us think it is a bigger sacrifice to live in E Chicago than be a chiprunner....
Posted Sun May 08, 2005 12:47 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I've been trying to work with my dealing, smoothing it out, etc, but I'm finding I'm kind of slow by the standards of sober, impatient cardplayers. Still, I'm getting a little better.
I'm trying to learn payouts, I'm finding it makes an OK excercise for the brain when you can't sleep. . .
Posted Sun May 08, 2005 3:27 pm GMT by mindgame
You don't have to LIVE in East Chicago.
I wouldn't particularly care to live there myself. The casino is 5 minutes off the Indiana Toll Road--one of the very few urban interstate highways which rarely bogs down at rush hour--and you can live in some beautiful places that are only 20 minutes or less from that exit. I have friend who lives 18 minutes from the casino...walks out his back door and sees 150 feet of pristine beach between him and Lake Michigan, and pays $500 buck a month rent. Okay, he's in an English basement and has to do some maintenance on the other three units once or twice a week--but you get the idea.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 pm GMT by Loonbat
In response to Mindgame, I play in the same woods as he does (just about 5 minutes down the road at Trump ... IMO, a much nicer poker room than Harrahs/Resorts). I live on the Northside of Chicago, about 45 minutes away, and several of the dealers I encounter are from Chicago.
Personally, I hate the tip pooling imposed on dealers. This is one of the reasons I would never deal in this area.
-Loon
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 3:02 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| Loonbat wrote: | Personally, I hate the tip pooling imposed on dealers. This is one of the reasons I would never deal in this area.
-Loon |
There is one dealer at my casino that is so energetic and fun and keeps people entertained at the table (which is great for some loose action). I would love to tip him more but I cant because the tips are pooled. He deserves a lot more than the dealer known as super bitch.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 10:39 pm GMT by mindgame
Loon bat...
Trump's a MUCH nicer room...no argument. Don't care much for the games or the players there, though.
If you frequent these parts you really must join Dave B and myself for the next (if currently unscheduled) round in our poker standoff. I'll let you know when something comes up.
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:41 pm GMT by Aves
What limits do you guys usually play and when? I usually go there in the afternoon or evenings on weekends. I'm usually at the $200 max NL games, but will sometimes play 3/6, 6/12, or 1-5 stud if its available.
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