Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:02 am GMT by weirpougs
Ok I have a good read on the two players, i can tell they will normally raise with an ace and other strong hands .
What should you be doing on the flop when an ace comes up. I've limped in late position only two other players (the blinds) with 9o10o or any other very poor late position cards.
flop comes in with A X X missing me as expected. Checks round to me, should I bluff or just keep checking and fold when I miss the turn and someone bets?
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Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:50 am GMT by Soup_dog
I would try a 3XBB bet to steal the blinds. If you get a call then you have an interesting choice. If a "semi-dangerous" card comes on the turn or river and it stills checks around to you I would be tempted to try a 5xBB bet to see if I can shake them loose. If the card is an Ace or King though I would bail. Lots of times you will get people hanging on for that miracle ace or king to try and when the pot with top pair. Pay attention to how it plays out though, it will give you some insight into future plays.
Of course, I am a losing poker player so you may be better off taking advice from some of the "winners" who browse this forum. 
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:57 am GMT by Soup_dog
OOOooo. Wait. I missed that part about the Ace on the flop. I would try to steal the one time on the flop and then see how it plays out after that. If they continue to check around to you I would check the turn and then bet 3xBB on the river.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:25 am GMT by suitedaces84
A lot depends on the oppoent, and the situation. If it's some fish who'll say "it's only x amount and he could be bluffing, I better call" don't bother bluffing. If you're up agaisnt someone who will fold when they miss their flop bet. If you've been caught bluffing the last five hands in a row I wouldn't try anything here, if you've shown a bunch of winners it's worth a stab. So, there is no one correct answer here. Don't bet everytime it's checked to you, don't check everytime you have nothing.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:28 am GMT by arras
I had this situation arise last night, but I had QQ. I put out a feeler bet of 2x BB and was just called. I ended up losing the hand.
Posted Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:28 am GMT by weirpougs
| arras wrote: | | I had this situation arise last night, but I had QQ. I put out a feeler bet of 2x BB and was just called. I ended up losing the hand. |
don't think you betted that aggressively enough (did you raise pre flop?). with one over card you are practically drawing dead if they paired an ace, but if you raise higher on the flop they call, you know they've got something so it's better to know on the flop then on the turn, that way you don't lose so much, they may bet into on the turn you can fold easily, rather then call a bet on the river.
Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:53 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
I've noticed that many times, especially at lower limits, people will often limp or throw in a weak raise (2X big blind) pre flop with any kind of weak ace, then when an ace falls, be perfectly content to just check/call it down to the river. If it's checked to me on the flop, I'll usually toss out a bet to push people off the pot, but if I get called, unless I hit something or a scare card hits (so I have a hand or can represent a hand), I'll usually just check it down. It makes absolutely no sense that they'd be willing to play the hand because they have an ace, but not be willing to bet it once it hits, but that's how it seems. This is of course very player dependent, and happens more with a weaker passive player, so if that's my read on them, I'll generally slow it down.
If you've got a good read on them and know they'll raise with an ace, and an ace hits, I'd either check it down, or if I sense weakness (crappy kicker) throw out a large bet on the flop to try and push them off it, but that's only if I think they'll let go of that ace crappy kicker if it's a big enough bet. But if your read is good and you know they're passive or weak, then checking might be good.
Posted Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:47 am GMT by 6200
First Ax is not a strong hand, AK and AQ are strong hands. Second if you think they raise with any A, and the pot was not raised, and an A flopped, why would you be afraid of the A? Next, dont bluff at a pot with more than one person unless you have some kind of outs, just not worth it.
As for betting 3xbb and maybe 5xbb on turn, dont even worry about the blinds, worry about the pot, if youre going to bluff bet the pot on the flop or close to it, and if youre going to take a shot on the turn 5xbb is a call me bet, you are just asking to get called and will most likey get called with any pair or draw.
As for QQ, you should never ever bet QQ 2xbb, it just wont be profitable, you need to raise strong pf(you only want one caller) and bet the pot on the flop no matter what comes out. If you get called and there are overcards then you slow down.
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