Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:27 am GMT by TallBrad
There are 3 players in to see the flop (blinds are 200/400). After the flop player A bets 400. Player B goes all-in with 600. Player C calls the 600.
It is 200 to player A to call. Player A and C both have at least another couple thousand. Can Player A make a raise, or since the all-in bet wasn't equivalent to a normal raise (another $400) can Player A only call it?
This came up because Player C was thinking about calling but didn't want to get raised again before he saw the turn.
Thanks, I hope that was clear.
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Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:42 am GMT by Dave B
A bet of exactly half (your example) reopens the betting and can be raised. If it was an all in for 199.99 more, then both players can only call.
So yes, he can reraise.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:30 am GMT by TallBrad
| Dave B wrote: | A bet of exactly half (your example) reopens the betting and can be raised. If it was an all in for 199.99 more, then both players can only call.
So yes, he can reraise. |
So if he could re-raise, I assume he would have to make a minimum raise of $400.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:32 am GMT by Dave B
Correct. Min raise has to be 400.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:44 pm GMT by martini
| Quote: | Originally posted by TallBrad
It is 200 to player A to call. |
Player A can't call. He is forced to raise at least $400 since he wasn't fully re-raised.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:46 pm GMT by Dave B
You can call an all in bet, you dont have to "complete" it.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:52 pm GMT by golddog
Half or more, right Dave?
I've never understood this; player B raised (to the extent he could). Why should it affect action between A and C if he can't go a half bet or more?
Oh well, I guess they'll make their side pot post-flop.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:56 pm GMT by martini
From Robert's rules:
| Quote: | 3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet (which is the amount of the minimum bring-in), or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)
Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.) |
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:58 pm GMT by Dave B
I think the rule is more relevant to limit poker. Bet, raise (not full bet bacause of an all in), he should be allowed to raise a raiser. So the 1/2 rule determines what is and what is not a raise.
NL it can really put the squeeze on that 3rd player. If I have 66 and limp then one calls and a 3rd goes all in, I have several times gone all in to get a fold out of the 3rd player and get heads up knowing that it wont cost me anymore.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:00 pm GMT by martini
The rule and example were both from "SECTION 14 - NO LIMIT AND POT-LIMIT"
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:12 pm GMT by Dave B
Then Robert's rules isnt followed at casinos or online poker for limit or NL tournaments.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:19 pm GMT by martini
I've actually seen this situation come up at the Borgata in A.C. and a player was forced to make a full raise. You make a good point about someone short stacked repeatedly going all-in when the blinds are high and scaring others into folding. I wonder how this is handled in the WSOP.
Posted Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:35 pm GMT by martini
I just noticed this in the rule I quoted:
| Quote: | | (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.) |
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