Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:28 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Busted out of a tourney on this hand.
I had A  5 
There were no raises pre flop, I called and 5 of us saw the flop.
Flop was J 10 J
Everyone checked, so did I.
Turn 7
Everyone checked again.
River 3
I had the nut flush and when it was checked around to me I threw out a bet. There were 2 folds then a big re raise and another fold. I guessed the re raiser had also hit a flush, maybe with the king. Like a fool I went all in and immediately got called. He had a full house, Jacks over 10s! 
I guess this wasn't a bad beat because he had actually flopped the fh. But how wrong was my play, if it was wrong atall?
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Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:34 pm GMT by Midnight Sun
Why play a5 off suit to start with?
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by snoogins47
| Midnight Sun wrote: | | Why play a5 off suit to start with? |
Why not?
The hand in question, it just depends on your opponent, like everything else in poker. If he's the kind of player that had a good chance of doing that with just trips, the Kc, or any other hand you beat, or even a pure bluff, your call is generally correct. If not, it's awful.
What hands do you think people make large re-raises into that board with though? Keep in mind there are four clubs on the board, which is very frightening to anybody who doesn't have, or can't beat, the Ac. If he's not a moron, it really reeks of a full house.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:01 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Yes, I guess thats true, Snoogins, but a lot of players I play against seem to be pretty loose and I felt at the time nobody had a full house, although I was obviously aware of the possibility. In future maybe I'll take more care but to be honest I think there is a danger of becoming almost too careful. Lets face it, you can't sit in a tourney and wait all day for the absolute nuts to fall in your lap. You'd probably be blinded out long before you even got them!
As for playing A 5 off, there were no raises and it was cheap to call and I was slightly up in chips, so I thought I'd take a peek at the flop. Its not usually one of my starting hands but I do occasionally play some different hands just to mix it up a bit. A 5 isn't the worst hand in the world and I don't personally think its a major crime to occasionally play a hand other than AA KK etc.
Admittedly, I did unfortunately live to regret it on this occasion...
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:10 pm GMT by tame_deuces
How big was his reraise on the river? Would you have been left with any chips if you just called? (maybe better poker players than me would have considered folding)
And I agree with not being to careful, but J10 is a sweet limping hand, so it could be worth keeping it in mind. And Snoogins point on what he would reraise with on this board is very good, esp with the amount of players in.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:15 pm GMT by howzit
Value betting the river is a good move.
Moving in is bush league.
As for calling the reraise, I'd have to take into consideration stack size, blinds, chip position, etc.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:46 pm GMT by NickFlynn
Without knowing the size of his reraise relative to your stack it's hard to say exactly what you should have done, but pushing was definitely not the right choice. I think if calling won't cripple you, you make the crying call. If you really don't have enough to call and survive, this is a fold.
- Nick
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:08 pm GMT by titans4ever
You did have the nut flush but look at all the possible hands above yours:
4 J's
straight flush 7-J
full house J's full of 10's
full house 10's full of J's
If you think you had it, why re-raise? I think a call would have been a better option or even a fold.
You played the hand right up to the point of going all-in. The blinders and rush got the better of you.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:58 pm GMT by FearItself
Titan there's also 7's full and 3's full not to mention the odd Jacks' over 7's and Jacks over 3 (not to mention cause unlikely though not impossible).
I would have done the same thing though. Take your shot with a great hand and move on if it doesn't work.
Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:01 pm GMT by titans4ever
Pocket 7's and Pocket 3's could have come into play since there was not raise preflop, after the flop or turn and they slow played after they hit it.
Thanks for the correction.
The point was even if you have the nut flush, you can still not have the best possible hand on the table so hard to justify going all-in.
Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:28 am GMT by zeroswarm
On reflection I agree I probably should just have called instead of going all in. I guess I just felt I had the best hand.
I was wrong. 
Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:31 am GMT by 6200
I would recommend to never play A 5o, especialy in tournament, it is just to week of a hand, save your chips for a stronger hand. Also I can tell you that taking a flush to the house with board paired will lose you more money than it will ever make you. One last think to consider, how much did you have invested in that pot? You can always fold if you are only losing a couple of chips.
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