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Posted Sun May 01, 2005 9:48 pm GMT by 2000m5
I've been playing in live games for a year and a half. My local casino runs 3/6, 4/8, 6/12, and 10/20. I've been beating the 4/8 and 6/12 games regularly and hit the 10/20 on occasion. I have lost more than I've won in the 10/20 while beating the others. The competition is good, especially in the 10/20 game which consists mostly of rounders who play it regulary between runs to the 20/40 and 50/100 games at casinos a couple hours away. I feel as though I've recognized most of my leaks and have come a long way in reading players and situations in the past year. I know I have a long way to go but consider myself an advanced beginner or maybe even better. I mostly play 4/8 and 6/12 but the past two days I sat in a 3/6 while waiting for a bigger game.
Both times I went down quickly in the 3/6 game getting beat by hands that you rarely see in the 10/20 or 6/12 and even in the 4/8. I'm talking $150 in 45 minutes this morning losing w/ trip Kings to a rivered-gutshot straight. Aces and queens beat with a runner-runner flush, and worst of all, flopping the nut-flush and getting beat when a woman hit her set on the turn and the board paired on the river  . I rarely slow-play and was betting these hands strong the whole way. We all know how frustrating it is to get beat w/ pocet Aces when someone who cold called your pre-flop raise with J 8 o and then flops two pair. None of these people had the pot-odds to call my bets and were big dogs all the way. These types of beats happened to me so many times in my short sits at 3/6 the past two days I'm considering passing on the game until my regular table opens up. What's worse is that this morning when I moved up to 4/8 the table played the same way. I tried to adjust by loosing up my starting hand requirements but didn't get lucky and pissed away another rack real quick. By the time I finally won a few pots I was upset and left early down $225. To add insult to injury a co-worker who came to to the casino with me after work Friday to play poker for the first time ever and won $350 in an hour on the 3/6 table next to me and got up and left. Meanwhile, it took me two hours at a soft 4/8 game to win back the $80 I lost playing 3/6 at his table for just a half hour.
My question is this, none of the books I've read ever talk about losing in great detail. They all talk about solid play and how the better play and math wins in the long run.
What about the short run? How do you guys handle nightmare sessions? Especially back-to-back sessions or longer-term losing streaks?
Although my leaks (biggest being calling when I know I'm beat because of pot-odds even though I'm convinced I'm drawing dead-stupid I know) cost me, my play seems to get the chips and I have averaged to win around 2 bets an hour for the past 4 months.
But what about the bad times? Do you re-evaluate your game? Give up? Play super-tight for a while? Or should I stick to whats been working and brush off the losses even though they eat into my hard-won roll? I talk to friends at the cardroom and everyone has their own stories and gripes about cold streaks (even though some guys seem to have never lost a hand let alone a session in thier whole life), but nobody really likes to talk about how to handle the losses phsychologically or finacially.
I may just be venting, but this is really frustrating me considering the players that took my money the past two days were not the best at the table.
Please let me know if this is just me whining over a couple of bad games or something you've dealt with before and have some advice on.
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Posted Sun May 01, 2005 10:59 pm GMT by Dave B
Dont let 2, 3, 5 or even 10 sessions get to you. Also-learn how to win at each level. Where do you play? I know that my local casino in MN has a different style for each level.
3/6 loose
4/8 tighter
6/12 "normal" game
8/16 loose, gamblers game, wild swing and big average pots
15/30, a few maniacs but mostly solid players that read well
play more 10/20 and it will come. i would assume that you need to tighten up there more, use fewer bluffs but at more opportune times and learn what the each regular likes for hands and tricks they use.
Posted Mon May 02, 2005 3:14 pm GMT by howzit
There are certain nights when the gambloors and drunks sit down and i'm lucky to get a seat in teh game. My cards run good and i have good control of the table.
Then I get all my money in w/set vs. a flush draw against the one fish who has me covered and he gets there on the river. Those are the really tough nights.
But for losing sessions, i don't sweat losing if my play is good. If i lose because of poor play, i go home and think about what street i played wrong, or what reads i may have missed.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 4:59 pm GMT by Loonbat
I play what I call position tightness in 3/6. Bad (early position), I'm water tight. In a late (especially button) position ANY suited connectors play. Now, this is me specifically. Alot of successful 3/6 always play tight.
Generally, the rule for low limit is the looser the table, the tighter you should play. Their maniac draws will eventually pay off your solid starters.
-Loon
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