Posted Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:41 pm GMT by saper88aa
Was playing in a home game yesterday.Had 3 6 and limped in. Hit the nut full on the flop.So i bet about a buck.He called 9 on the turn.Be a buck. he raised and i called.Hit the 6 on the turn and i bet small. He re raised all in and i called. He had 9s full and i took 75 pecent of his chips, i was short staked.
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Posted Sun Feb 01, 2004 4:07 pm GMT by highscty
I feel bad for your friend  pocket nines cracked by 3,6? I wouldn't be so proud of that play.
Posted Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:24 pm GMT by Leo
i agree with highscty. i hope you were BB or you were playing at a shorthanded table. 63 is a terrible hand. but still, you won, you got lucky and hit the quads.
Posted Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:44 pm GMT by saper88aa
No, we play antes. We usually up them when one person gets knocked out and so on. So the antes were low(25 cents). I was in late position so i tryed to steel the antes for some reason and he called and i just got lucky. And my friend was the big stack by a good amount so he still wasnt the short stacke after i took most of his chips 
Posted Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:54 pm GMT by Bates0202
we play with antees as well, we tried playing with blinds and all ended up with head aches after 2 hands of trying to explain it to other people and then confusing ourselves. Antees allow the "checks all around" and keeps more people in the hand. Overall i think NL hold'em is better with antees.
Posted Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:03 pm GMT by ballbp
Just to play devil's advocate, I like using blinds instead of antes to STOP the "check all around". But hey thats what's nice about home games, you can do it however you want.
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:49 am GMT by Bates0202
I agree, although i'm usually always the guy that people get angry at for betting alot preflop, but hey, when you're holding AA or AK its good to use that strategy. Its also fun to bet a crapload when you have 7 2 off suit just to win some antees.
Transisting to another topic.... when you play NL home tournaments, do you make it so the most you can bet is what the person with the lowest amount of chips has? We dont, one of my friends read in the top ten rules of hold'em somewhere and one of them was "be a bastard" we normally like to bet more than what the person has so they are either forced to buy in more chips to call or fold.
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:06 am GMT by ballbp
You're doing it right. The limit on a NL bet is what YOU have in front of YOU, not what the other players have. If you decide to go all-in, you bet what you want and the short stack can call but he/she can only win what they put in.
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:24 am GMT by Bates0202
Hold'em is great because aside from the basics, there is not set way to bet, raise cash out etc.
But let me ask you a question Ballp, there is $20 in the pot from you, your opponent, and several other players that folded. You have 20 in chips remaining and go all in and your opponent only has $10 in chips so when they call how much would they get?
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:51 am GMT by JohnnyCache
You would split the pot . . . you put your twenty in, with the amount you have him smacked by set aside (in this case 10). He can win only the pot he paid for fair, and since he's the only other person in the hand, you could almost take your 10 out . . . cause he can't win it (but this is bad, bad poker ettiquite).
so, forty dollar main pot, ten dollar side pot, if you win you take back all fifty, if he wins he takes forty and then ten would be returned to you . . . since he can't win it . . .
At least, that's how we do it at my place. . .
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:56 am GMT by ballbp
I'm still waking up and not through my first cup of coffee but Johnny's post sounds right. Basically like he said, you're both in on the main pot but if the other guy happens to win, he can only win ten of your twenty since he only had ten to go all-in with. If you win it, the games over.
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:22 am GMT by JohnnyCache
Still waking up! I've been at work for 4 hours! OK, so I work at 5 am . . . but still, envy.
Also, on blinds . . . I find two blinds of one minimum bet is a little easier for a friendly ring game . . . it saves you a chip type that only gets used on the blind
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:29 am GMT by ballbp
5 AM on a Sunday??!!! I hope they pay you well.  Ok About the blinds. I don't mind having those low chip values to play with at times. They come in handy when I have a strong hand and I want to show weakness. Someone in a past post wrote that someone they play with always bets his high denomination chips when he had a good hand and the smaller ones if he was drawing. So I took that and do it backwards a few times a night if it looks like others are buying into it.
Posted Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:53 am GMT by JohnnyCache
I use the chips that let me meet the bet for the fewest physical chips. I just picked a method so I wouldn't tell. If I want to very it, I start hording and never using the big chips for about an hour, untill I find myself changing them out . . . I try to totally keep my chippy games unrelated to betting.
And the pay is mediocre, but the benifits are great (100% med, dent, and vis w/$100 annual copay on each for free, gym membership for free, 8%401k/IRA match, 1 day paid sick and 1/2 day paid personal a month), and the job is kind of cool. . .and my boss leaves me alone. . .
Posted Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:24 pm GMT by jwrussell
Agree for the most part on this. Not sure abou the "bad poker ettiquite" thing though. Really, the easiest way to go in this situation (as it seems to me) is you would say "raise, all in". The other guy calls. At that point you finish out the hand, if he wins, you through in your 10 and keep the other 10, if he loses he throws in his 10, you rake the pot and are good to go. I wouldn't even bother actually moving my chips. But if you did, not sure why it would matter if you broght the 10 back right away as no one else was in the pot...
Just a couple of cents.
| JohnnyCache wrote: | You would split the pot . . . you put your twenty in, with the amount you have him smacked by set aside (in this case 10). He can win only the pot he paid for fair, and since he's the only other person in the hand, you could almost take your 10 out . . . cause he can't win it (but this is bad, bad poker ettiquite).
so, forty dollar main pot, ten dollar side pot, if you win you take back all fifty, if he wins he takes forty and then ten would be returned to you . . . since he can't win it . . .
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Posted Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:11 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
You rake your home game? Be very careful doing that . . . that's what steps you out of "friendly game" exemptions in a lot of places.
I never, never reach into the middle of the table and take chips back until there's a winner . . .
Posted Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:11 pm GMT by saper88aa
When i meant steal the antes, i meant bet a little to get everyone to fold,and pick up the pot
Posted Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:58 pm GMT by jwrussell
No, no. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse. I meant rake as in Pull the chips to you! 
| JohnnyCache wrote: | You rake your home game? Be very careful doing that . . . that's what steps you out of "friendly game" exemptions in a lot of places.
I never, never reach into the middle of the table and take chips back until there's a winner . . . |
Posted Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:51 am GMT by JimTheBullet
When there are only 2 people left in the pot and one goes all in and the other calls, we have always played the hand to a conclusion then looked at the stacks. Generally, it is obvious which player covers the other and if that player wins (the one with more chips) then the other guy just pushes everything over and walks. If the guy with fewer chips wins the etiquette where I've always played is that he takes out the pot that has been collected (all the bets from betting rounds prior to when the all in happened) and then he counts the chips he had left over at the time of the all in. The other guy then matches this stack and pushes them over. IN this way you save unnecessary stack counting and the game moves quicker. Also, it is sometimes quite tense when the stacks are close and you don't finally know until the count up whether one player is out or on life support.
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