Rules Clarification: Player leaving game |
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Posted Sun May 08, 2005 11:47 am GMT by bobrocks
We had a situation the other night during a 12 person tourney where one player with a considerable amount of chips had to leave. He was not removed from the game, he just had to go for personal reasons. A decision had to be made and somehow it was decided that the chips were to be split with everyone at that table. My feelings are that the chips should have been split between everyone at the tourney, but I wanted to know what the actual rules were for a situation like this.
thanks
-Bob
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Posted Sun May 08, 2005 3:39 pm GMT by MasterShake
His antes should have been posted for him and his hands folded. What they did at your game was unfair to the rest of the players at the tourney. Your idea would be good if everyone agreed to it, but the "official" thing is to fold his antes until he is eliminated.
Posted Sun May 08, 2005 8:35 pm GMT by JustinHEMI04
Actually, Robert's rules addresses players leaving. There are two options. One, if the player is going to return within 20 minutes, his blinds and antes will be posted, and he will be dealt in an folded. If he is going for good, all of his chips are to be split between the people at HIS table. It is fair for everyone in the tournament because it is only the people at HIS table that were going to get his chips anyway. The right call was made at your game.
Justin
Posted Sun May 08, 2005 9:11 pm GMT by MasterShake
| JustinHEMI04 wrote: | Actually, Robert's rules addresses players leaving. There are two options. One, if the player is going to return within 20 minutes, his blinds and antes will be posted, and he will be dealt in an folded. If he is going for good, all of his chips are to be split between the people at HIS table. It is fair for everyone in the tournament because it is only the people at HIS table that were going to get his chips anyway. The right call was made at your game.
Justin |
Really? That's pretty interesting. I love Robert's rules.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 12:27 am GMT by martini
| Quote: | Originally posted by JustinHEMI04
Actually, Robert's rules addresses players leaving. There are two options. One, if the player is going to return within 20 minutes, his blinds and antes will be posted, and he will be dealt in an folded. If he is going for good, all of his chips are to be split between the people at HIS table. |
What twisted version of Robert's Rules are you reading? Splitting the chips evenly between everyone gives an unfair advantage to any player who is severely short stacked. If someone drops out of a tournament, the correct move is to remove his chips from play.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 5:12 am GMT by Muck
| MasterShake wrote: | | His antes should have been posted for him and his hands folded. |
This sounds like a really good/fair deal all round.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 8:41 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
| martini wrote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by JustinHEMI04
Actually, Robert's rules addresses players leaving. There are two options. One, if the player is going to return within 20 minutes, his blinds and antes will be posted, and he will be dealt in an folded. If he is going for good, all of his chips are to be split between the people at HIS table. |
What twisted version of Robert's Rules are you reading? Splitting the chips evenly between everyone gives an unfair advantage to any player who is severely short stacked. If someone drops out of a tournament, the correct move is to remove his chips from play. |
You're absolutely right... I have so many rule books here. This was quoted from http://www.homepokertourney.com rule book. In any case, I disagree with you about the chip advantage. I also disagree that those chips should be removed. They are already in play. And this is the way I have seen it done the last 10 years. Things may be different now.
Justin
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 8:55 am GMT by Dias
| JustinHEMI04 wrote: | | martini wrote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by JustinHEMI04
Actually, Robert's rules addresses players leaving. There are two options. One, if the player is going to return within 20 minutes, his blinds and antes will be posted, and he will be dealt in an folded. If he is going for good, all of his chips are to be split between the people at HIS table. |
What twisted version of Robert's Rules are you reading? Splitting the chips evenly between everyone gives an unfair advantage to any player who is severely short stacked. If someone drops out of a tournament, the correct move is to remove his chips from play. |
You're absolutely right... I have so many rule books here. This was quoted from http://www.homepokertourney.com rule book. In any case, I disagree with you about the chip advantage. I also disagree that those chips should be removed. They are already in play. And this is the way I have seen it done the last 10 years. Things may be different now.
Justin |
I agree the chips should not be removed from play...the player paid to play, the chips are in, just as if a player was there.
Now, the splitting chips is a different thing then Ive done, we've always just blinded/anted the player out, dealing to the stack and folding them as we go. GUess we were wrong in that aspect
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 8:59 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
| Dias wrote: |
I agree the chips should not be removed from play...the player paid to play, the chips are in, just as if a player was there.
Now, the splitting chips is a different thing then Ive done, we've always just blinded/anted the player out, dealing to the stack and folding them as we go. GUess we were wrong in that aspect |
No there is nothing wrong with that. That is how I do it, UNLESS for example, a guy leaves say an hour into the game. There is probably about 2 hours left in the game or so. It sucks having to keep track of dealing this guy in and folding his cards. That is about the only time I split up the chips. Otherwise, I do as you did.
Justin
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 9:12 am GMT by martini
| Quote: | Originlly posted by JustinHEMI04
In any case, I disagree with you about the chip advantage. |
Scenario:
Three players remain in a SNG. Chip count:
Player A: 10,500
Player B: 19,000
Player C: 500
Player B gets a call on his cell that his wife has just gone into labor. Looks like they're gonna have sextuplets! Player B thinks about staying, but realizes that leaving is the right thing to do.
Players A and C split Player B's chips. New chip count:
Player A: 20,000
Player C: 10,000
That doesn't seem fair to me at all.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JustinHEMI04
I also disagree that those chips should be removed. They are already in play. |
So what? The player is out of play; take his chips out of play also.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 9:18 am GMT by Geno
| Muck wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | His antes should have been posted for him and his hands folded. |
This sounds like a really good/fair deal all round. |
Let me stick my oar in and say what I saw happen at The Mirage which I think is a pretty good guide since it was the tourney director who decided it......
A guy went all-in and lost. He got up and left even though he had the other guy covered so they simply did what Shake said and posted and folded for him until his chips were gone. I consider that the correct method.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 9:28 am GMT by martini
| Quote: | Originally posted by Geno
A guy went all-in and lost. He got up and left even though he had the other guy covered so they simply did what Shake said and posted and folded for him until his chips were gone. I consider that the correct method. |
I agree. Who knows, he may realize what he did and come back. However, if his chips are still in play after a set amount of time, remove them from play. There's no point in continuously dealing him cards and posting his blinds.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 9:38 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
| martini wrote: | | Quote: | Originlly posted by JustinHEMI04
In any case, I disagree with you about the chip advantage. |
Scenario:
Three players remain in a SNG. Chip count:
Player A: 10,500
Player B: 19,000
Player C: 500
Player B gets a call on his cell that his wife has just gone into labor. Looks like they're gonna have sextuplets! Player B thinks about staying, but realizes that leaving is the right thing to do.
Players A and C split Player B's chips. New chip count:
Player A: 20,000
Player C: 10,000
That doesn't seem fair to me at all.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JustinHEMI04
I also disagree that those chips should be removed. They are already in play. |
So what? The player is out of play; take his chips out of play also. |
Lol please.... like that would ever happen. In that case... yes... you're right. But who cares? You do what you want and I will do what I want and we will all be happy. 
Justin
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 10:14 am GMT by martini
| Quote: | Originally posted by
In that case... yes... you're right. |
You agree that if someone leaves he game permanently that their chips should be taken out of play, or only in the case of sextuplets?
| Quote: | Originally posted by
But who cares? You do what you want and I will do what I want and we will all be happy. |
NO! You MUST do what I want!
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 7:58 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
| martini wrote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by
In that case... yes... you're right. |
You agree that if someone leaves he game permanently that their chips should be taken out of play, or only in the case of sextuplets?
| Quote: | Originally posted by
But who cares? You do what you want and I will do what I want and we will all be happy. |
NO! You MUST do what I want! |
I agree that in your extreme scenerio.... it might be the more fair thing to do. However, in a tournament of say 20 people with 10 people at a table dude gets up after about an hour and has to leave. Split the chips.
Justin
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 10:10 am GMT by Always_Bored
Post and fold then split it up after 30 min(or a time decided on at the time of the absent player). Unless its a single table tourney. Then we just remove them from play. The reason being that if its 2 tables of 10 people each with a 1000 chips that 10K per table. Well if we remove them then one table is short 1K chips and when they merge it would be slightly uneven. In a single table it doesnt matter because there is no merge.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 11:07 am GMT by martini
Now that makes sense! I usually only play in SNGs and in MTTs that don't merge players, so I didn't think that there would be a good rationale for splitting up chips.
I was thinking about running some tourneys in the future where players did merge, so let me ask you this: Let's say I have a three table tourney, eight players at each table. Suppose one guy doesn't show up and one table is left with seven players. Do you think I should give everyone at that table more chips so the chip count for that table is equal to the others?
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 11:33 am GMT by redd38
| martini wrote: | | I usually only play in SNGs and in MTTs that don't merge players |
how do you play in a MTT that doesn't merge players? Sounds like 3 separate SNGs instead of a 3-table tournament
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 11:47 am GMT by martini
What we do is play until one player is left at each table and then those three players play it out starting with fresh chips and blinds.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 8:38 pm GMT by JustinHEMI04
| martini wrote: | Now that makes sense! I usually only play in SNGs and in MTTs that don't merge players, so I didn't think that there would be a good rationale for splitting up chips.
I was thinking about running some tourneys in the future where players did merge, so let me ask you this: Let's say I have a three table tourney, eight players at each table. Suppose one guy doesn't show up and one table is left with seven players. Do you think I should give everyone at that table more chips so the chip count for that table is equal to the others? |
I handle players not showing up differently. If they don't show up by the first hand of the second blind level, I remove their chips.
Justin
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 9:02 pm GMT by martini
But as Always_Bored brought up, its not fair for players to merge to different tables, when the table someone is at might not have the same amount of chips to be won as other tables.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 11:08 pm GMT by MasterShake
| Geno wrote: | | Muck wrote: | | MasterShake wrote: | | His antes should have been posted for him and his hands folded. |
This sounds like a really good/fair deal all round. |
Let me stick my oar in and say what I saw happen at The Mirage which I think is a pretty good guide since it was the tourney director who decided it......
A guy went all-in and lost. He got up and left even though he had the other guy covered so they simply did what Shake said and posted and folded for him until his chips were gone. I consider that the correct method. |
Well, I am brilliant you know. According to the Internet I have an IQ of 140. AND THE INTERNET NEVER LIES!!!!
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