Posted Mon May 09, 2005 12:15 pm GMT by BobRobApex
I have A 3 . Blinds are 1000/2000 and I'm short-stacked at 6500, first to act. I raise the BB 1500 and have 2 callers including the BB. Flop is all spades. BB immediately goes all-in with a decent stack (maybe 12,000) so I figure she's made the flush. I have 3000 left and nut flush draw with 2 cards coming.
(a) I'm BB next. Do I call? If I figure she's made the flush, that leaves 7 outs.
(b) Should I have bet bigger pre-flop? Maybe all in?
Not that it matters, but I did call. The other player got out of the way and BB had 2 4. Turn and river were not spades, and I'm done.
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Posted Mon May 09, 2005 12:50 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Ouch. Thats a toughie. Considering you were about to become the big blind, and the size of the blinds versus your chip size... I might have been tempted to go all-in preflop. Not exactly the best cards for an "all-in", but you are running out of options.
Another way to go would be to put in about 4k preflop with the intention of going "all-in" post flop. That way if someone decides to chase and misses the flop, they will probably fold to you post flop. I can steal a lot of blinds by raising big with garbage preflop and then betting out big when a danger card comes on the flop. Many times they will assume you hit your top pair and they will fold. If they already had a big hand preflop, you would have been history no matter what you did.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 1:05 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
With your stack and the blinds where they are, it's either all in pre-flop or fold. You've only got 3XBB left, what good is throwing in a raise pre-flop? Especially one as small as that, when the BB is big stack. They're going to call you with any two cards pretty much. Doing that you have no move after the flop but an all in, and what if the flop misses you completely?
Having committed a third of your stack pre-flop, its an automatic call. If you lay it down, you have 3000 left, and can't even double the big blind, so either of the blinds will call you're all in, probably along with a few other people since it's so cheap to knock someone out.
With a stack that small, you're looking to go in with any ace or pair, maybe even any king to avoid being put all in on the blinds in the next round or two.
Posted Mon May 09, 2005 1:27 pm GMT by BobRobApex
Thanks for the feedback. Pretty much what I figured. I played poorly pretty much all night and it was a wonder I was even still in at this point. I have always struggled with going all in with hands like A-3 offsuit because it isn't something you'd do with a decent stack. Adjusting my play for big stack or small stack is something I need to work on.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 3:55 am GMT by Muck
| Soup_dog wrote: | | Another way to go would be to put in about 4k preflop with the intention of going "all-in" post flop. That way if someone decides to chase and misses the flop, they will probably fold to you post flop. I can steal a lot of blinds by raising big with garbage preflop and then betting out big when a danger card comes on the flop. |
This is a valid move but I don’t think it would work here with his stack so low. It would be hard to push someone out of this pot with a 2K bet since the smallest pot possible with 1 caller would be 9K, plus (if it was heads up) the caller would have the added security of knowing there would be no more raises on later rounds.
Most players would look at your stack, the size of the blinds, the size of the raise and soon come to the conclusion that the 2K is defiantly going in before the showdown. If I was last to act and intending to call I’d probably come over the top right there.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 7:40 am GMT by Fat Tony
that 1500 raise is pretty pointless with those blinds and your stack size. in that situation if you decide to bet, you bet it all.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 8:38 am GMT by Verdi
Yes, strange bet preflop. A3o can be good against one opponent calling with KQ or something and then the A high wins. Against 2-3 opponents you're pretty much screwed.
And yes, you need to call there. If you fold you're as good as out anyway. If you call you have at least 30% chance (slightly less if we assume that the villain got two spades) to get back into the game.
Personally I tend to play a "all in or fold" game when I'm small/average stack and the blinds are that high.
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