Posted Tue May 10, 2005 12:24 pm GMT by ndft
under what unique circumstances is it beneficial for a player to communicate his exact hand strength to an opponent?
Thanks
this case comes up in no-limit Texas Hold' Em and is the
only exception to the basic theory that you should play optimally
This is kinda a triva question.
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Posted Tue May 10, 2005 12:28 pm GMT by age_of_sages
When you have 72o and you're in the bb and fold to a substantial preflop raise. 
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 12:29 pm GMT by Always_Bored
| ndft wrote: | under what unique circumstances is it beneficial for a player to communicate his exact hand strength to an opponent?
Thanks |
do you mean in your betting or are you talking about telling him your hand verbally or even showing it?
my opinion on the betting your big hands when you have one and not betting when you dont is any time you are playing against weak players. dont try to outsmart them because they are too dumb to realize what you are doing. Just bet the monsters and fold the crap. They will call.
Now verbally and/or showing your hand. never.
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 12:30 pm GMT by ndft
would that hold true in Texas holdem?
the terms you used lost me sorry?
this case comes up in no-limit Texas Hold' Em and is the
only exception to the basic theory that you should play optimally
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 1:58 pm GMT by Dias
| ndft wrote: | would that hold true in Texas holdem?
the terms you used lost me sorry?
this case comes up in no-limit Texas Hold' Em and is the
only exception to the basic theory that you should play optimally |
Basically...dont ever tell your opponents what you have or had
Posted Tue May 10, 2005 7:04 pm GMT by Montrealer
| ndft wrote: | would that hold true in Texas holdem?
the terms you used lost me sorry?
this case comes up in no-limit Texas Hold' Em and is the
only exception to the basic theory that you should play optimally |
Which terms lost you? Monsters? Verbally?
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 11:58 am GMT by lilitu
Only do anything if it gives you an advantage.
After the hand only show it if it's likly to provoke an favourable reaction, IE showing a bluff knowing you're NOT going to bluff them again.
Somtimes if there's a big decision for an opponent to make and they ask me what I've got, I'll tell them what my hand is, only mirror the suits. Eg;
ME: A K 
Board: A K 2
I'll answer, I've got A and K. It has two effects on average / poor players: 1) They don't belive me and call, 2) If they have got A or K in their hand they think I'm lieing and call. While you're a beginner I don't recommend trying this, you need to do it right or it goes badly wrong.
The golden rule I use is this:
Any information you give your opponents you need to make them pay for, either now or in the near future.
Like the man said: "Lessons are extra."
Lilitu45
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 1:10 pm GMT by FearItself
Lilitu,
I love the switching suits ploy. It can seem like an honest mistake, keeping their view of your integrity intact while leading them to misplay. Beautiful.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 1:39 pm GMT by BeerWench13
As with all poker questions, it depends. I've stared right at an opponent as I'm pushing all of my chips into the pot and said "I have to go all in. I can't have you drawing out on my set." Did I have a set? Yes. Did I make him fold his draw? Yes. Did I show that I told him the truth? Yes.
I did this so that I could do it again in the future when I didn't have a strong hand. I actually told him later that night when he bet on the flop that I flopped four to the flush and top pair and I was going to have to call him. He checked when the same suit came on the turn, I bet and took down the pot. I had completely missed the flop, but he didn't know that.
If you're going to talk to your opponent (I don't usually recommend it unless you're trying to get a tell off of him/her) and you're going to discuss what you're holding, think about what benefit this will have for you. If you don't see any benefit, then don't discuss your hand. Also, I recommend you not show. We had some new players at our weekly game a few weeks ago and they showed every hand they played. They gave away so much information, it was a snap to read their hands and we took advantage of them all night.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 2:51 pm GMT by FearItself
Hey Beerwench - you need another at your weekly game? I only play at a monthly game right now and could use more live play.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 9:01 am GMT by BeerWench13
Sure. It's every Thursday night. Where are you? I'm in Virginia, so it might be a road trip for you.
I'll be hosting a game after the Virginia Derby at my house as well. That's on a Saturday.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 9:55 am GMT by FearItself
Philadelphia...yeah that may be a bit too far for a weekly game :D
Too bad, would have been cool playing with a forum member.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 10:05 am GMT by Soup_dog
| BeerWench13 wrote: | Sure. It's every Thursday night. Where are you? I'm in Virginia, so it might be a road trip for you.
I'll be hosting a game after the Virginia Derby at my house as well. That's on a Saturday. |
Virginia Beerwench? Me too. The Richmond area.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 12:13 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Virginia Beerwench? Me too. The Richmond area. |
Same here. The weekly game is in Chester. I live out near Colonial Downs though.
There is also a game every Wednesday in the west end, but they take a rake and money for the bad beat jackpot out of every hand. I'm not a big fan of losing half of every pot I win to the house.
There is a good game on Friday nights on southside as well as the Thursday night game which is the one I usually go to.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 12:45 pm GMT by Soup_dog
er... take a rake? I"m not a big fan of police raids so I think I will stay away from that one. Taking a rake is illegal in Virginia.
I used to go to a game in Glen Allen all the time, but the host has been too busy to run it lately.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 1:14 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | er... take a rake? I"m not a big fan of police raids so I think I will stay away from that one. Taking a rake is illegal in Virginia. |
I know that one of them is known by the police because an officer plays there at least every other week. The rake is to cover food and drinks provided by the house, but I know exactly what you mean. I'm rather leary myself.
When I mentioned the illegality of the rake, the respose I received was "It's only illegal if you get caught." 
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