Posted Wed May 11, 2005 12:35 pm GMT by TallBrad
Playing in a home game, 9 people, $10,000 in chips to start.
Seven players left blinds are at 300/600 (and going up on the next hand)
I get pocket queens, I raise to $1,800. Two people call me. Flop comes 10 7 2 rainbow. The first player to act goes all in for $7,100. I only have about $10,000. This player is a very aggressive player when he has the chip lead, but he tightens up when his stack gets smaller.
I debated calling, but decided not to risk it since it would have left me less than $3,000 with the blinds coming up. Also, I think I was gun shy because just a few hands prior, this same player went all-in pre-flop, I called him with pockets 7's. He had A5o, pulled the ace and beat me.
The player after me called his all-in. Player 1 had 56o and was on a draw, player 2 had AKo. After all was said and done a pair of 6's won it.
Basically, what I am asking is, would you have called the bet with pocket Queens?
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Posted Wed May 11, 2005 12:43 pm GMT by Soup_dog
Yep. And 56o was after a draw to what? He needed to catch runner runner to hit. That was an insane call on his part. I would probably have called if I was you though.
Oh wait. He was the bettor wasn't he? Then he was just bluffing. No way you can say he was "on a draw". The AK call was iffy. I could see the AK going "all-in" preflop, but not post flop.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 12:48 pm GMT by howzit
what's the pay out structure?
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 12:53 pm GMT by Geno
Unless the 56o guy spiked a 5 or 6 (or straight even!) on the turn/river, the guy with AK will never learn that marrying AK on a missed flop for all your chips is a cardinal sin of a crappy poker player. To me, even though (if) he won, he really lost because he didn't learn a thing 
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 12:58 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I think he lost. I'm pretty sure the post said the winning hand was a pair of sixes. So the 56o player must have been the winner.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 1:14 pm GMT by TallBrad
| Soup_dog wrote: | | I think he lost. I'm pretty sure the post said the winning hand was a pair of sixes. So the 56o player must have been the winner. |
AK did lose. I guess I was more worried about player 1 have pocket A's or K's.
The payout was 1st - 100, 2nd - 50, and 3rd -30.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 1:29 pm GMT by BeerWench13
It's easy to say knowing what each player had, that I'd certainly have called. It depends on what type of read you have on each player. If you know the guy is "super aggressive" I think you should've called in this situation. Tough call to make though without having put him on a hand preflop.
Posted Wed May 11, 2005 4:17 pm GMT by ViperX883
I think I have to call there. Given the nature of the flop, it seems unlikely that anyone hit anything that strong. It is possible that someone made trips, but that is not a dangerous flop for trips at all and it seems to me that if someone did hit trips they would try to get a few more chips out of you rather than pushing. Also, I don't see anyone calling a preflop raise here with a hand that hits two pair on that flop unless you have a maniac in the game.
Also, no one came over the top of your raise preflop, so I really don't think anyone has AA or KK (especially KK since you have to protect that hand). Considering these two things, I think you call here. Worst case scenario in my opinion is that you are up against 89s for a straight draw.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 2:15 pm GMT by TallBrad
| ViperX883 wrote: |
Also, no one came over the top of your raise preflop, so I really don't think anyone has AA or KK (especially KK since you have to protect that hand). |
While that statement is generally true, I would have to say it is false in my home game. While, I would re-raise it pre-flop if I had AA or KK, the people I play with generally don't re-raise.
Looking back on it now, I should have realized that this guy wouldn't have gone all in if he had AA or KK, he would have bet out, but not try to scare anyone off the pot.
Posted Thu May 12, 2005 2:40 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Immediate call. Fu.k them, u got 2 ladies and what bloke would go up against 2 ladies? I I think is more than enough.
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