George Castanza on "bluffing" |
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Posted Thu May 19, 2005 2:28 pm GMT by Imajica1975
"It's not a lie.... if YOU believe it."
What did he mean by this and how does it apply to bluffing in poker?
Lets say you've got AA and the flop comes AAK or something like that. When you first see your hole cards and when you first see the flop, do everything in your power to convince yourself that you really have 72o and the flop is really a nightmare flop to you. Think to yourself, "with 72o, if anyone raises, I will fold, otherwise..." I've gotten pretty good at this. I have even caught myself involuntarily rolling my eyes like I normally would do after getting crappy hand in a row #500. You know what I mean... That "I've got pocket jacks and the flop comes AK8" kind of roll your eyes. That "well thats just *%&$ing typical, isn't it?" kind of roll your eyes.
In short, if the person who is lying doesn't believe that they are lying, it still may be a lie but it will be that much more difficult to tell that he/she is lying.
A quote from "Dangerous Liasons" rings a bell too, in regards to poker. This crazy lady played by Glenn Close would stand in front of a mirror and jab a fork into her hand behing her back and practice smiling through the pain. Woah...thats pretty hardcore, but the point is, poker is all about deception and observation. If you suck at one or the other, its gonna cost ya. 
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Posted Fri May 20, 2005 6:15 am GMT by AAceman
are we talking about seinfeld's george,
hes f*cking hilarious.
im just rambling, ignore me
Posted Fri May 20, 2005 7:31 am GMT by fiezk
I've actually tried this once for the exact same reason.
Great episode btw. 
Posted Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:04 pm GMT by skel
Im not really sure what that has to do with George but in any sense this is how some people trick lie detector tests.
"Did you murder her"? asks person giving the test
Person taking test...thinks to himself..."Am I gay"?
"no" he says outloud
Posted Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:13 am GMT by Silhouette
Lie detectors don't detect lies, they detect nerves. It's much the same actually as playing good poker, and I think this might deserve it's own thread.
Polygraphs are devices that track heart beat and nerve action. Typically, they hook you up to it and ask you to relax. They leave you on it for a few minutes to get a read on how your normal body functions look, then they start asking simple questions.. like your name, age, where you live, etc, to make you comfortable and track how you answer things that're true. Then they will randomly toss in, Did you kill xxx, what happened on xxx.. these questions tend to make the guilty nervous, or so it is believed, and as such they can test whether or not you are "lying."
The thing is that most people are nervous when wired up to a big machine they know nothing about in a police station, or they're really comfortable lying about murder. As such, no polygraph tests can test to 100%, nor are they admissable in court.
Now, to beat a lie detector is commonly called 'beating the box.' But if you look into the system of how it's done, it's really beating the person on the other side of the box. They track motion, pursue lines of questions and it's their job to make the other person uncomfortable when they think they know what they're hiding.
Sounds alot like poker, eh?
If you've ever seen the movie High Crimes (good movie btw, with Jim Caviezel and Morgan Freeman), the bonus material on there has a pretty good look at this sort of thing. I'd recommend renting it, to watch the movie and for the info on polygraphs.
I started looking for signs of nerves and heartbeat in live games. The most visible place to see a heartbeat is on either side of the neck, or underneath the wrists if their hands are face up. I have a friend who's vein in his neck goes crazy when he hits a hand. It bothers him because he knows I have a read on him that is highly accurate, but he can't figure out what it is. I'll look at him and start laughing as I fold two pair. Great fun. :D
Posted Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:57 am GMT by truplaya_177
i was just watching poker on TV on Fox Sports Net. they have thus feature where they show the players heartbeat rate. its pretty cool. i saw that when the player was bluffing or had a really good hand he was making very small little twitches i guess. he was moving and shuffling a bit more than normal.
Posted Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:33 pm GMT by DougisRad
| truplaya_177 wrote: | | i saw that when the player was bluffing or had a really good hand he was making very small little twitches i guess. he was moving and shuffling a bit more than normal. |
So anytime he was in a pot?
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