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Posted Sat May 21, 2005 11:42 am GMT by greathuskie
you hold 78s in late position, someone raises 4.5x BB and gets 4 callers, do you call in this position?
i do everytime, 4 callers must mean alot fo them have face cards atleast, leaving the deck wide open to make a hand to bust them, and leaves many draws as well. besides 4 callers gives the implied odds to make it a good call incase you do hit good. anyways, does anyone else do differently?
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Posted Sat May 21, 2005 12:03 pm GMT by Imajica1975
Too many other variables (ring game, sng? short stacked? etc etc),
but I see your line of thinking here.
In general, whenever I have suited connectors, low pocket pair, etc, and a bunch of people call a raise, I figure a bunch of people have high cards, which increases my odds for the flop to be low cards to make my set or straight.
It works both ways too. No one calls and you have AK, limping might not be the worst idea in the world every once in a while. Also, in the situation you described above with a million callers, I am more apt to lay down a KQ or something like that, even if it's suited.Crazy, I know, but those "2nd best hands" are a real pain...
Posted Sat May 21, 2005 12:04 pm GMT by myluckyhand
I will. I don't know about 4.5x BB, but 3X for sure. It really depends on my opponents betting habits though, and whether I'm going to be able to make my hand for cheap and take home big.
Posted Sat May 21, 2005 12:35 pm GMT by tame_deuces
For me it would depend alot on the game and the type of players. I still can't know if they are holding jacks, aces, kings or queens and they can also bluff on any facecard.
Ring game with weak bettors, calling-inclined people or weak-tights. Sure thing.
Ring game with guys who can't let go off their starting hands, sure thing.
Ring game with original bettor being a tight-aggressive main battle tank who will drop the A-Bomb on drawing hands if he could, no way.
Pissed drunk in a home-tourney with the possibility of those 4 being one or two people, sure thing.
Late tourney with high blinds, no way. Unless I got nice juicy stack, I want big macho pairs to slam down the hammer with, no pansy drawing hands or babyflushes.
Posted Sat May 21, 2005 12:44 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Can't really answer this because it all depends on the overall situation. Can see your logic, though.
Posted Sat May 21, 2005 3:02 pm GMT by snoogins47
It depends, my man.
Posted Sat May 21, 2005 3:41 pm GMT by greathuskie
ok heres 3 situations:
MTT -4th level, big stack raises 4.5x you have just above the average chipstack
SNG - 1st level, blinds 10/20, big stack (about 300 higher then everyone else) raises to 100 with 4 callers, chips are pretty much even
cash game - you buy in max, someone with average chip stack does the raise
Posted Sun May 22, 2005 11:16 am GMT by flafishy
Don't know about cash games, as I don't play HE in cash games any more. In a MTT, I don't think it's a bad idea if you try it once. An SnG, I would be reluctant because there's such a limited amount of opportunity to recover those chips after your probable miss.
Posted Mon May 23, 2005 7:26 am GMT by tame_deuces
| greathuskie wrote: |
MTT -4th level, big stack raises 4.5x you have just above the average chipstack
SNG - 1st level, blinds 10/20, big stack (about 300 higher then everyone else) raises to 100 with 4 callers, chips are pretty much even
cash game - you buy in max, someone with average chip stack does the raise |
MTT - I don't mess with the bigstack with 87s unless he seems really weak, unless I am defending my blinds.
SNG - Well, you will be hard pressed to find cards that don't give you odds to enter the pot with 87s here. 4 callers for 5xBB seems like a mess though, so this one depends a little on the mood.
cash game - I need a read on the player here. If he gets married to overcards and overpair, I'll call anyday of the week, if he seems solid I'm out of there as he probably won't give me the implied odds I need.
Posted Mon May 23, 2005 1:54 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Really depends on the game. My usual game is 5/10 NL. That would mean calling a pre flop bet of $45. No, I would never do that with 78. the reason why is with that many players a HUGE bet will be coming after the flop - Since the pot is already around $270. U need to flop a monster to be able to call the impending big bet.
Posted Mon May 23, 2005 6:46 pm GMT by TheSalche
| snoogins47 wrote: | | It depends, my man. |
I think I've seen snoogins say this in almost every single thread he's posted in :D
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