Posted Mon May 30, 2005 12:56 pm GMT by gol4pro
I play shortstacked (40$) in these games so I don't have to make hard decisions. Pretty much every decision I make is either all in or fold. I don't like making expensive decisions against idiotic deep stacks. blinds are .5/1
Hand 1-- Hero is BB with T  T 
-- Preflop, 3 folds, MP1calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, button raises to 3$, SB folds, Hero calls, all remaining call.
Flop 7 4 2 
-- I had pretty much decided I wasn't getting away from an overpair against these morons. Original raiser was pretty stupid, so unless I had extreme reason to think I was beat, I was check raising all in.
-- MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets 5$, Button calls (bingo! T's are good), Hero raises to 37$, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, button folds.
Good play/logic?
Hand 2-- Hero is MP1 with 2  2
-- 3 folds, Hero raises to 2$ (variety of raises), MP2 calls, MP3 calls (Loose caller), All folds.
flop 8 4 2
-- Beauty of a flop! but it's going to be hard to get action. If I check, MP2 will probably bet, and then I can set a trap on the turn, representing AK.
-- Hero checks, MP2 bets 3$, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
Turn 7
-- Hero checks, MP2 bets 5$, MP3 calls, Hero raises to 22$, MP2 folds, MP3 raises all in, hero calls.
-- Good play/logic?
Hand 3
Hero is dealt T T UTG+2
Preflop-- 2 folds, Hero raises to 5$, MP2 calls, 2 folds, button calls, Blinds fold.
Flop 8 7 4
-- Hero bets 20$ (pot 15), MP1 raises to 40$, Button folds, hero calls.
-- This was the same MP2 in the set of 2's hand. He had shown me there that he was capable of betting on nothing.... which also meant he was capable of overplaying weak hands that an overpair could easily beat.
good play/logic?
Results on all to follow.
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Posted Mon May 30, 2005 2:05 pm GMT by Idaho
My guesses:
The first one I bet you are up against the nut flush draw. Number two someone overvalues A7 or two pair. Numer three he probably has hit his set.
Posted Mon May 30, 2005 2:40 pm GMT by TheSalche
hand 3 im guessing you're beat by a higher PP since you started the hand with bad position and really dont know if the other callers would have raised on their own or not
hand 2 id say you have it won at the moment ... chances of 56 for the straight are slim, it may have been a good idea to raise the flop and try to figure out what MP3 has
im hoping for good results on all three since i am considering transfering some money back into pacific =)
Posted Mon May 30, 2005 3:36 pm GMT by howzit
| gol4pro wrote: | | I play shortstacked (40$) in these games so I don't have to make hard decisions. |
I always wondered why you bought in short. . .
| Quote: | Hand 1-- Hero is BB with T T
-- Preflop, 3 folds, MP1calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, button raises to 3$, SB folds, Hero calls, all remaining call.
Flop 7 4 2
-- I had pretty much decided I wasn't getting away from an overpair against these morons. Original raiser was pretty stupid, so unless I had extreme reason to think I was beat, I was check raising all in.
-- MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets 5$, Button calls (bingo! T's are good), Hero raises to 37$, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, button folds.
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not enough info on CO, I'm going w/a set. MP1 is on a spade draw. But check-raising all-in, you're letting lesser hands get away too easy on the flop, although I don't htink MP1 has a concept of potodds.
I also reraise the button preflop if you think he's a donk. Get it head's up.
| Quote: | Hand 2-- Hero is MP1 with 2 2
-- 3 folds, Hero raises to 2$ (variety of raises), MP2 calls, MP3 calls (Loose caller), All folds.
flop 8 4 2
-- Beauty of a flop! but it's going to be hard to get action. If I check, MP2 will probably bet, and then I can set a trap on the turn, representing AK.
-- Hero checks, MP2 bets 3$, MP3 calls, Hero calls.
Turn 7
-- Hero checks, MP2 bets 5$, MP3 calls, Hero raises to 22$, MP2 folds, MP3 raises all in, hero calls.
-- Good play/logic?
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is this 6-handed? Then i hate the preflop raise, i'm looking to get control of the button and play position here and if I don't think i can get the button, i'm limping/folding preflop.
Flop, i'm betting half pot and trying to pump this pot up. Or if you want to trap, my standard procedure is to stop and go. MP3 can have almost any hand here to move in on you. I'd guess top two. No reason to fold this hand.
| Quote: | Hand 3
Hero is dealt T T UTG+2
Preflop-- 2 folds, Hero raises to 5$, MP2 calls, 2 folds, button calls, Blinds fold.
Flop 8 7 4
-- Hero bets 20$ (pot 15), MP1 raises to 40$, Button folds, hero calls.
-- This was the same MP2 in the set of 2's hand. He had shown me there that he was capable of betting on nothing.... which also meant he was capable of overplaying weak hands that an overpair could easily beat.
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min raise on this board looks like a one pair type of hand, of which you're probably ahead 50% of the time. (just my own guess) bluffers also tend to be chronic slow players and if he did flop 5-6, he'd probably slow play. Even against top two, you'll pick 3 more outs on the turn. you're a 70-30 dog on the flop and you're getting over 3:1 to call. If you think you have the best hand, i'd move in. If not, fold.
Calling is the worse. . .he's going to move in on the turn or give himself a free card.
Hope it worked out. . .i think you're winning hands #2 and #3 BTW, i notice you like to play big pots w/one pair hands, which is ok when buying in short.
I don't make it a habit to play big pots w/one pair hands, but use those one pair hands to set my stack and image for the big ones.
Posted Tue May 31, 2005 4:06 am GMT by gol4pro
No, this was a full ring game.
Hand 1-- Turn J , River A
-- My T high flush is good, MP1 shows 9s9d, other guy mucked
Hand 2 MP3 showed J J , and J fell on the river
Hand 3 MP3 showed A 8 , and turned 2 pair.
WAY ahead all 3 times. That's why you can't fold overpairs to these idiots, even weak ones.
Posted Tue May 31, 2005 2:57 pm GMT by TheSalche
cant blame them in the first two hands ... they both had overpairs so its not a bad call
third hand is a rough one ... cant believe there was so much action with just TPTK
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:29 pm GMT by ibarrio
Action has been great on Pacific!!
Up $190 (I buy in with $20) in two days (Maybe 4-5 Hours total) of Action on the $50 NL..Lots of Crazies with the Bad Beats kept to a min...Loving the players that chase the Flush and Straights...And it is easy to tell when they hit them on the Turn or River...
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:11 pm GMT by lilitu
I think I need to make a few points here, not about the hands but what seems to be going on around the hands.
You dub all the other players morons yet you choose to play at a significant dis-advatage by going into your situations short stacked. I can only offer some points of advice:
+ The biggest threat to any player is always themself.
+ The more options a player has to choose from the less luck there is in their outcome. Reducing your own options only helps your opponenets.
+ If you cannot afford, or afford to lose a full buyin play a lower limit.
+ Two players can both act correctly and one will still lose.
As for the hands in question I think they've been covered. One, two and three were played near enough correctly by both sides.
Any comments?
Lilitu
Posted Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:29 am GMT by gol4pro
a) You've clearly never played at Pacific-- almost every player there is a moron.
b) I have a 2k bankroll for 40$ buy-ins. I can afford to lose several buy ins.
c) Yes, 2 players can still make good plays and one lose.
d) How does reducing my options help me opponents? I'm also reducing their options-- they can either call an all in, or fold. I have 2 options, they have 2 options.
I play shortstacked because I play extremely well shortstacked. When I have a deep stack, regardless of stakes (even .01/.02) I let my emotions make my decisions for me. I'm much more comfortable with 60$ in a .5/1 game then 20$ in a .10/.25 game-- it's just the way I play.
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