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Posted Tue May 31, 2005 9:22 pm GMT by p3nguin
I am still learning, but I found this on AP today. Can you tell me if these look "right"? Or are they meaningless?
I play only at NL SnG's if that means anything.
Session Games: 3032
Games won: 25%
Showdowns won: 47%
Flops Seen: 19%
Win % if flops seen: 63%
Your Actions:
Fold 35.48%
Check 20.09%
Call 16.69%
Bet: 14.13%
Raise: 6.67%
Re-raise: 3.94%
Where you fold:
Pre-Flop: 64.65%
Flop: 12.28%
Turn: 4.56%
River: 2.23%
No Fold: 16.62%
So any insight as to anything you see that is unusual?
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Posted Tue May 31, 2005 11:22 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I'm not sure what to make of the stats in general, as they're from SnGs not ring games. But the one thing I notice is your post flop aggression is very low. Post flop aggression = (bet+raises)/calls. Yours is a 1.5 or so, this is extremely passive, for NL. Mine is 4.5 for full games and 5.9 for short games (I'm not saying these are numbers are a model of any kind, I'm just trying to give you something to compare your numbers to).
semi-related rant
A good rule is if you have a made hand that is not good enough to raise with on the flop you should fold. This will allow you to get a better idea of where you are and take control of the hand. Even if you have an open-ended straight or four flush raising w/position is usually a good idea (if you're up against the table maniac it's not a good idea). For one thing your a 2 or 2.5 to one dog to hit and your getting 1:1 for your money (if you raise the flop with a four flush your only losing 34 cents per dollar of EV). This will often get you a free card which would be worth more than the money you invested on the flop. It is also extremely decptive to most low stakes players, who won't understand it 'til you've got their whole stack because they never thought you'd raise with a draw. Like anything else this won't work everytime, but it is a good one to add to your trick bag. You can also check-raise timid players from EP, it will scare most into checking the turn.
You know that guy who is a total ass and you hate playing against even thought you think he sucks? Try to be more like that guy.
/semi-related rant
Posted Tue May 31, 2005 11:58 pm GMT by p3nguin
| suitedaces84 wrote: | But the one thing I notice is your post flop aggression is very low. Post flop aggression = (bet+raises)/calls. Yours is a 1.5 or so, this is extremely passive, for NL. Mine is 4.5 for full games and 5.9 for short games (I'm not saying these are numbers are a model of any kind, I'm just trying to give you something to compare your numbers to).
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I love your posts aces, because they are informative and SOOOO helpful. thank you for posting here.
So how exactly do I fix this? Bet and raise more often?
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:09 am GMT by TheSalche
in terms of actual stats ...
i don't like the 47% showdowns won because it means you are making it to the river with the 2nd best hand and not being able to through away a mediocre hand ... this is most likely because you are being too passive (as suitedaces pointed out)
games won: 25% i dunno what that means, if it means 1st place finishes you are doing great ... if not, that definetly needs to go up to at least 1/3 in my opinion if you are going to make a good, steady profit
pre flop play looks good .. it seems like you're tight then but then if you miss you keep on chasing ... dont
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:49 am GMT by suitedaces84
So how exactly do I fix this? Bet and raise more often?/quote
Turn some of your calls into raises, and some into folds. It's not just about betting and raising more it's about calling less. It's okay to be a little passive on the river because there's no more information to get. Obviously the player who controls how much money goes into the pot and when it goes into the pot will be at an advantage.
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:53 am GMT by p3nguin
| suitedaces84 wrote: |
Turn some of your calls into raises, and some into folds. It's not just about betting and raising more it's about calling less. It's okay to be a little passive on the river because there's no more information to get. Obviously the player who controls how much money goes into the pot and when it goes into the pot will be at an advantage. |
As always, great advice. I reset the stats button and played 3 SnG's last night.. I tried to focus on the call button and asking myself "Do you really want to call?" I think I was getting more money overall by raising on some hadns which won me the pots right then, but I can't be sure yet.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if this helps my game. Everything else you guys have said has helped so I have good evidence to suggest it will.
Posted Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:17 pm GMT by Ben4040
I also noticed in my game that I wasn't being as aggressive and I have started turning things around. Sometimes I wonder if I have become too aggressive though after a lose some large pots. The changes in my game seem to be profitable in the long haul however.
By they way, why is that penguin holding an MP5?
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by Phil14312
The real question is why are you /inot holding an MP5?
Posted Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:14 am GMT by p3nguin
| Ben4040 wrote: | | I also noticed in my game that I wasn't being as aggressive and I have started turning things around. Sometimes I wonder if I have become too aggressive though after a lose some large pots. The changes in my game seem to be profitable in the long haul however. |
It could be bad luck but in the process of calling less this weekend I got creamed. While it is possible there is no causation I hope the streak ends.
I guess it's possible I am raising when I should fold and folding when I should raise. If that's the case it seems I call when I am not sure what to do, which seemed to be working but I guess in the long run it would be better to make the right choice instead of saying "I don't know" huh?
| Quote: | | By they way, why is that penguin holding an MP5? |
You ever see the natural defenses of a penguin? It's a scary world and we aren't equipped with much.
Posted Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:18 am GMT by suitedaces84
Post a few hand histories.
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:19 am GMT by p3nguin
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Post a few hand histories. |
I can't seem to find a way to get hand histories from a SnG on AP.
Is it not an option? Or am I a moron?
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