Suited Connectors vs. Suited ALMOST connectors |
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Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:39 pm GMT by Imajica1975
OK, the game is NL Holdem. (hehe) In this case, it doesn't matter whether we are talking ring sng or mtt.
My question is:
Could an argument be made that 79s is a better hand to limp in with than 78s? Before you answer, here is where I am coming from when I do a comparison/contrast of the two hands.
1. 78s and 79s are both pretty low. So even if you hit your flush, it seems to me that either one has roughly the same chance of being beaten. EVEN
2. In regards to the straight. I mean, the straight is the main reason you're playing this hand anyway, right? So here is the meat of the question:
a. Lets say you have 78s and the flop comes 456 rainbow. Your wet dream, right? But who in their right mind is going to bet against that? I mean it is SOOOOOO obvious, y'know?
b. Lets say you have 79s and the flop comes 568 rainbow. 568 rainbow isn't scaring ANYBODY off. Slowplay, and you will probably get a bite. If someone has a high pocket pair or even a set, you will have all of their chips by the river, because they will place you on top board pair most likely if you are just calling. ADVANTAGE: 79s
3. What are the odds of hitting your straight with a 78s vs a 79s? Because if the odds are negligable, I think I may be on to something here...
Thoughts?
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Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:48 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Someone brought this up a while back, the odds of hitting a straight are not that far apart (although I forget exactly how close they were).
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:50 pm GMT by Imajica1975
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Someone brought this up a while back, the odds of hitting a straight are not that far apart (although I forget exactly how close they were). |
Well normally I have tried to limp in with the 78s but would tend to fold 79s.
If the odds are roughly the same? That will change then...
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:58 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Connectors give 1.3% chance of flopping a straight, and 10.4% of flopping an open-ended draw. (54-JT)
1-gappers give about 0.98 of flopping a straight and about 8% of flopping a openended straight draw. (53-QT)
So there is noticable difference, but I agree on the logic. A straight made by a 1-gapper can be harder to anticipate. Players who are new to poker often don't even see them!
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:40 pm GMT by snoogins47
One interesting thing:
Connectors flop OESDs more often, and they're to the nuts more often. However, when they don't make the nut straight, that straight is more vulnerable than the non-nut straights that one-gappers make. Example:
You have 89.
Board comes TJx.
If a Q comes, you're now losing to K9, which isn't a hand that's way out of the question, and AK, which is very plausible. When you don't make the nut sraight with a connector, you're losing to two hands, one of which is a higher connector.
Now, say you have 79.
Board comes 8TJ
You don't have the nuts. But somebody has to have Q9 to beat you. When you don't make the nuts with a one-gapper, you're losing to a 2-gap hand, and you're only losing to one hand.
This doesn't completely negate the differences in power, but due to deception, it's safe to say that suited one-gappers aren't that much worse than suited connectors, especially in NL games where the increased deception might make a big difference in implied odds.
Posted Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:03 pm GMT by howzit
Today, i raised in the CO, w/a suited two gapper, picked up a double-gut and a flush draw on the flop. Lost a huge pot to second pair.
Moral of the story: against donks, play hands that will get top pair.
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