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Posted Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:27 pm GMT by zinn0
I was at the MGM Grand a few weeks ago playing $1/2 nl. In the BB, I looked down to find 7  7  ...the table folded around to this girl who had been at the table all day and was playing very conservative. She raises to $20. The table folds back around to me, and I call, putting her on one of the three hands that would justify that raise, hoping to catch my set. The flop comes Q 7  (oh yea) 4  I was first to act, and I checked. She fires out $50 dollars. Could she have pocket Q's I ask myself...I don't think she would have raised that high with ladies, so I call...the turn brings us a 6 and I check once again, and she pushes a stack of $5 chips to the center...100 bucks...I get the feeling she is trying to end the pot right there for fear of the flush draw...I call her and the river is a 2 I go ahead and push my remaining chips to the center, about 75 bucks worth and I can see in her eyes that she does not like that move from me...she only has about 70 bucks worth of chips in front of her so she decides to call...she rolls over pocket kings and I show her my set...she was not happy, but she took it like any good player would and just got up, said nice hand, and walked away. As soon as the dealer shoved me my chips ($481 of them), the guy to the left of me said I should haved moved in on her earlier.I said I wanted her to think she had the best hand, and he says, "but she was a girl"! Seeing how poker is a cut throat game, that is what I was trying to do...and since she represented strength before the flop, I really wanted her to believe that she had the best hand, so I could take all of her chips...what are everyones thoughts on this?
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Posted Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:01 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I'd have done some things differently there:
1) Fold it preflop. I know you'll win big if you hit your set, but you'll only hit your set one in nine times. To make this profitable you'll have to win $160 on average when you hit your set. Given that she is a conserative player you will not accomplish this on average. When you factor in the times you hit your set and lose calling this preflop raise is a losing play, unless she is a terrible player post-flop.
2) Have her all-in before the river. This will increase the range of hands you get called by.
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:07 pm GMT by JustinHEMI04
Whether or not she is a girl, old person, young person, blind, deaf, paralyzed, the pope, a saint, the president, the queen, terminal etc etc etc would have nothing to do with the way I play a hand. If they put their money on the table its fair game. No one gets special treatment.
Justin
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:10 pm GMT by CodeNull
| suitedaces84 wrote: | I'd have done some things differently there:
1) Fold it preflop. I know you'll win big if you hit your set, but you'll only hit your set one in nine times. To make this profitable you'll have to win $160 on average when you hit your set. Given that she is a conserative player you will not accomplish this on average. When you factor in the times you hit your set and lose calling this preflop raise is a losing play, unless she is a terrible player post-flop.
2) Have her all-in before the river. This will increase the range of hands you get called by. |
I dunno, the Vast Majority of money I have made from playing poker, has been from calling PF raises with a mid/low Pocket Pair, and catching my set on the flop. (as I type this, I play JJ to a $10 raise PF, and get my set on the flop for a $111 pot) Scan will probably agree, as well as snoogins47, that the low/mid PP is a very profitable play in most any position to a decent raise.
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:33 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I'll agree they're almost always worth a flop, but 10xBB is just too much given the amount of money in each stack. Do you really think you could take $160 off her on average? Keep in mind she'll often have something like AK, will miss her flop and then you surely won't get paid off big. She may also have something like JJ, QQ, or KK an upper will hit on the flop and again you won't get paid off. If you're calling her preflop raise with the intention to check/fold when you miss this is a bad call. There's too many ways to win small when flopping your set to call this kind of preflop raise with these stack sizes, IMO.
Posted Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:06 pm GMT by gol4pro
That doesn't even include the times you lose Set vs. Overset. So really, you need 200$ implied or so, which you clearly weren't going to get.
Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:34 am GMT by howzit
If you only had $75 left on the turn, push it in there.
Too many cards kill your river action.
Posted Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:37 am GMT by howzit
| suitedaces84 wrote: | I'd have done some things differently there:
1) Fold it preflop. I know you'll win big if you hit your set, but you'll only hit your set one in nine times. To make this profitable you'll have to win $160 on average when you hit your set. Given that she is a conserative player you will not accomplish this on average. When you factor in the times you hit your set and lose calling this preflop raise is a losing play, unless she is a terrible player post-flop. |
This justifies the preflop call.
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