Time to reraise, wasn't it? |
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Posted Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:20 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
$3/$6 Hold'em, I'm in early-middle position and get the Q  Q  , and I get three callers on my raise, including the big blind.
Flop comes
J J  10 
BB checks, guy on my right checks, I bet out, and late position raises. BB calls, early position folds, and now it's to me. I called (I suspect, incorrectly) instead of raising. I know re-reraising was the appropriate move here, but I stupidly didn't do it. You guys concur?
Anyways, turn comes down:
9
BB checks, and I make my second mistake. I check here to the flop raiser, and he checks behind me. Best move I'd seen the guy make all day--he bought a free card. Needless to say, it was obvious he didn't have a Jack and wasn't on a draw with KQ. I probably cost myself at least 1.5 Bets with this blunder.
River:
K
I have an even better hand with a straight, although the Queens would have been enough. BB had checks again, and I bet, since all that can hurt me is AQ, which I doubted late position had. LP folds, and BB calls with pair of tens. I win with my straight, and LP tells me he had 98. I told him he made a good play and collected my chips, knowing I had cost myself money.
My self-analysis tells me I should have re-raised the flop and bet the turn. You guys agree?
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Posted Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:48 pm GMT by suitedaces84
This is a very trickey one for sure. It's easy to say that now, but what if he caps? Do you call down and hope you improve or he's bluffing with a cap? If you three bet and he caps you'll be on a better than 8:1 on every call so you'll be almost obligated to show this one down. Betting for information is trickey because you're often pot commited by the time you find out you're beat. Here's how I play it if I'm in LP holding a J: call your 3-bet on the flop then raise you on the turn. What if he does this to you? Do you fold without if the turn is a blank?
I play these based on the villan's stats. If he has a low aggression I probably fold to his bet on the flop. These situations are never easy.
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:18 am GMT by tylanthus
I 3-bet and lead the turn. If he raises the turn, I call down.
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:34 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
| tylanthus wrote: | | I 3-bet and lead the turn. If he raises the turn, I call down. |
In retrospect, I think that was indeed the best play.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:43 pm GMT by krakajak
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | tylanthus wrote: | | I 3-bet and lead the turn. If he raises the turn, I call down. |
In retrospect, I think that was indeed the best play. |
Looks to me like you are allowing the outcome to affect your analysis. Would you still think you should've 3 bet and lead the turn if he had raised turn and showed you the J after you called him down? My guess is you would probably be kicking yourself for having been too aggressive.
The truth is, there was no way of knowing whether he has it or not. The way you played saves you money when he has it, but you gain less when he doesn't. I'm not really sure how to go about determining which course of action would be more profitable long-term.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:55 pm GMT by tylanthus
| krakajak wrote: | | xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | | tylanthus wrote: | | I 3-bet and lead the turn. If he raises the turn, I call down. |
In retrospect, I think that was indeed the best play. |
Looks to me like you are allowing the outcome to affect your analysis. Would you still think you should've 3 bet and lead the turn if he had raised turn and showed you the J after you called him down? My guess is you would probably be kicking yourself for having been too aggressive.
The truth is, there was no way of knowing whether he has it or not. The way you played saves you money when he has it, but you gain less when he doesn't. I'm not really sure how to go about determining which course of action would be more profitable long-term. |
No offense... but that is weak tight. Until proven otherwise, the flop raise looks like a strong ten or a draw. Villain doesn't get credit for a jack until he raises a bigger street. Also, you *really* do not want this to be 3-handed at showdown...so keep charging BB to see more cards.
On a side note, I would move tables and not play with the guy in LP. Anybody who raises a draw from LP and checks behind on the turn is not fun to have on my left 
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:03 pm GMT by Phil14312
I agree that calling down has some merit here. Sometimes getting to a cheap showdown is the best course, if you are ahead, there are a lot of cards to come that you must dodge. If you are behind, you probably have very few outs.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:02 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Hands like this have to be played based on your oppoent, IMO.
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