Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:12 am GMT by DJPoker
I moved this question from another section. Hope the double post is OK.
*****
We play with a guy who won't let this go. I didn't see it, but here is how it went.
Three players remain. Button busts out, leaving the other two. The ruling at the time was that the button moved in sequence to the player that was the SB in the last hand, making that player the SB again. Of necessity, the other player remaining was the BB for the second straight hand.
The guy who won't let this go was the person who wound up being BB twice in a row. He contends that he should have been given the button and been made the SB for the first hand heads up. Doing this would have the other player skipped for his turn to act last.
Which is the correct ruling?
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Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:37 am GMT by suitedaces84
I'm *pretty sure* (and someone will correct if I'm wrong), that no one should be the BB twice in a row.
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:43 am GMT by Loonbat
| DJPoker wrote: | I moved this question from another section. Hope the double post is OK.
*****
We play with a guy who won't let this go. I didn't see it, but here is how it went.
Three players remain. Button busts out, leaving the other two. The ruling at the time was that the button moved in sequence to the player that was the SB in the last hand, making that player the SB again. Of necessity, the other player remaining was the BB for the second straight hand.
The guy who won't let this go was the person who wound up being BB twice in a row. He contends that he should have been given the button and been made the SB for the first hand heads up. Doing this would have the other player skipped for his turn to act last.
Which is the correct ruling? |
Actually, in heads up play, the button and BB are the same position, not the button and the small blind:
HAND 1
Player 1 - button (busts out)
Player 2 - SB
Player 3 - BB
Next Hand
Player 2 - BB and button
Player 3 - SB
Next Hand
Player 2 - SB
Player 3 - BB and button
Etcetera ...
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:11 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Hmm. From Robert's Rules of poker:
4. In heads-up play with two blinds, the small blind is on the button.
http://www.homepokertourney.com/rules_roberts.htm#SECTION%204%20-%20BUTTON%20AND%20BLIND%20USE
I suppose you would adjust the blinds as necessary so that no one pays twice or not at all.
I would appreciate someone explaining this rule... played this weekend at kinda a "ghetto" tournament with no dealers and players of every level of experience... this came up and I knew the rule but couldn't explain it LOL. Most people just want to go "OK, button, small blind, big blind, so dealer's big blind..." and it's hard to explain why that's not right.
Posted Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:32 pm GMT by ballbp
This comes up every once in a while here. Most sites I play on and every live tourney I've played in the button is SB and acts first pre-flop.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:02 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
The button is the SB and acts first preflop and second after the flop. The way to make this work is maintain the button "dead" until it aligns with the blinds. No one should have paid a blind twice. It only takes one hand to have the button aligned. There is another way more complicated way to get it right but I just leave the button where it is until it lines up with the small blind. It doesn't really matter as long as everyone pays the same blinds. It really was very unfair to make a guy pay the BB twice when the other guy got off the hook and paid only the SB twice.
Justin
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:40 pm GMT by Iron Butt
OK, yes, but WHY??? What do you tell someone who wants to put the BB on the button? "Uuuhh, well, that's just the way they do it..." That's just an argument waiting to happen.
Someone's got to know... I know there's a few "table captains" here LOL. Dealers? Anyone? Buehler? Can I get the brush over here please, I need a ruling on this.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:53 pm GMT by ballbp
It works that way because that is the only time in the hand that that player gets to act first. If it was the other way around the other player would act first on every round.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:28 pm GMT by JustinHEMI04
| Iron Butt wrote: | OK, yes, but WHY??? What do you tell someone who wants to put the BB on the button? "Uuuhh, well, that's just the way they do it..." That's just an argument waiting to happen.
Someone's got to know... I know there's a few "table captains" here LOL. Dealers? Anyone? Buehler? Can I get the brush over here please, I need a ruling on this. |
In addition to the post below this one, someone already quoted roberts rules. I recommend you print a copy of roberts rules that way you can shove it in their face when they argue.
Justin
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:38 pm GMT by Iron Butt
Ooook, thanks, I finally get it. If anyone cares, this is the way I thought of to explain this next time it comes up:
The button can't be the BB because the button has to act before the BB preflop.
Simple, easy to understand, should be hard to argue with.
Justin: LOL, sure, that was me, but there are people out there who have never heard of Robert's Rules and also don't give a crap about them... Certainly these people should not be running poker tournaments but whaddya gonna do once you're there and bought in already. Better I think to be able to make your own case if possible.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:38 pm GMT by Iron Butt
And returning to the original question... from:
http://www.homepokertourney.com/button.htm
There are Three Players Remaining and One is Eliminated
Determine which player would have been the next big blind ... that player becomes the big blind and the other player is the small blind (and button).
Examples:
Player1 (Button), Player2 (SB), and Player3 (BB).
If Player1 is eliminated - Player2 is BB and Player3 is SB and Button.
If Player2 is eliminated - Player1 is BB and Player3 is SB and Button.
If Player3 is eliminated - Player1 is BB and Player2 is SB and Button.
So looks like Won't Let It Go Guy was right. Oh well, guess someone owes him a SB. 
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:25 am GMT by Loonbat
| Loonbat wrote: | | DJPoker wrote: | I moved this question from another section. Hope the double post is OK.
*****
We play with a guy who won't let this go. I didn't see it, but here is how it went.
Three players remain. Button busts out, leaving the other two. The ruling at the time was that the button moved in sequence to the player that was the SB in the last hand, making that player the SB again. Of necessity, the other player remaining was the BB for the second straight hand.
The guy who won't let this go was the person who wound up being BB twice in a row. He contends that he should have been given the button and been made the SB for the first hand heads up. Doing this would have the other player skipped for his turn to act last.
Which is the correct ruling? |
Actually, in heads up play, the button and BB are the same position, not the button and the small blind:
HAND 1
Player 1 - button (busts out)
Player 2 - SB
Player 3 - BB
Next Hand
Player 2 - BB and button
Player 3 - SB
Next Hand
Player 2 - SB
Player 3 - BB and button
Etcetera ... |
Yes - I'm a twit ... my poker colleagues (and Robert's rules) are 100% correct. My memory, having not played heads up in about a week, was poor.
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