Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:46 am GMT by klt
Hi all,
I read Geno's guide about split pots and best 5 cards out of 7...which is definitely what I needed. However, I don't know if my scenarios below are covered.
Can anyone help?
I encountered these two scenarios while playing on the weekend.
1st scenario.
Hand was won by suit ranking.
For example.
Player one has A  K
Player two has A  K
River is Q J 10  7  4
My argument was a split pot but it was finally agreed ranking suits take precendence. Eg spades over hearts.
Scenario 2:
Player one wins because he has the 9 to make a straight which beats player 2's 6 ?
Player one has Q 9
Player one has A 6
River is 10 9 8 7 6
Again should this have been a split pot?
Thanks.
klt.
Did you know that participating in a poker forum can help you improve your own game? Be it by sharing experiences or simply asking for help, participation in a forum helps you focus and keep 'on topic' which will help you improve your game. You can learn from other players feedback and from their experiences. Why the THP poker forums? We offer one of the best managed texas holdem poker forums available, and the community within is far more friendly than those typicaly found on other sites. We've made a 'lurkers edition' of the poker forum available here on Holdem Poker Online, but we encourage all visitors to register and join in on the conversations on TexasHoldem-Poker.com
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:51 am GMT by klt
...Apologies Scenario 2 should've have read;
Player one wins because he has the 9 to make a straight which beats player 2's 6 straight?
Player one has Q 9
Player TWO has A 6
River is 10 9 8 7 6
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:00 pm GMT by arras
Both are split pots. The suits are not ranked when it comes to straights.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:03 pm GMT by ERock@mm
In both Scenerios it would be a tie. Scenerio 1 the ranks of the suits is not relevant.
In Scenerio2 The straight is relevant to the board. If the community cards was 8 7 6 5 2. Player one as T9 and player 2 has A9. Then Player1 would win with a Ten high Straight.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:18 pm GMT by klt
Thanks for clearing that up guys.
By the way, do suit rankings play in any scenarios of poker or did this originate from other card games?
I'm curious because Geno's guide has disregarded suit rankings for ease of explanation but wasn't clear if they definitively play a factor in final decisions.
klt.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:25 pm GMT by arras
As far as I know, suit rankings only come into play (in texas hold-em) when you deal everybody one card to determine who will be the dealer at a brand new table.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:44 pm GMT by supafrey
Other types of poker allow for suit rankings, just not Texas Hold Em. They never apply in this game, except when dealing high card for the button before the tournament starts. In that case, the person with the high card gets to deal, and if two people share a high card, the suits are used in the order of Spades, hearts, diamonds, and then clubs to determine who deals first.
Hope that helped!
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:03 pm GMT by klt
Big thanks guys. This site is awesome.
I'm armed and ready for this weekend now.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:12 pm GMT by Sean_in_NJ
Sorry to hijack the thread, but playing with suit rankings could add a whole new dimension to the game, i.e. there's 4 cards to Broadway on the board (TJQK), no flush possible, you have the A and someone pushes in in front of you.
Posted Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:15 pm GMT by ERock@mm
The rank Is also important in 7stud to determine who opens the betting. If two players has a duece. The duece of spades opens the betting.
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:37 am GMT by klt
Hi all,
So I printed off the responses and went back to the crowd I played with and they concede that scenario 1 is correct but argue that scenario 2 is wrong. Because Player 1 had the high card 9 , which overrides the 6 in Player 2's hand.
I tried to explain that the straight was already on the river and that was the best hand on the table but because each player had a card of different values to contribute to their own straight, the higher card should have won. It makes sense and seems a valid argument.
Strangely enough I was Player 1 with the 9 but it felt like an empty win because something did not seem right.
Can anyone settle this and explain why it should be a split pot?
To Sean_in_NJ: Believe me the suit rankings do make things interesting. There are a lot more losses and certainly more arguments! LOL.
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:45 am GMT by improv
Your friends are WRONG!
It doesnt matter which cards someone used to make a straight, it can be 2 of their pocket cards, 1 of them, or none of your pocket cards - called playing the board.
A straight is a straight regardless of whose pocket card is highest.
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:55 am GMT by JustinHEMI04
| improv wrote: | Your friends are WRONG!
It doesnt matter which cards someone used to make a straight, it can be 2 of their pocket cards, 1 of them, or none of your pocket cards - called playing the board.
A straight is a straight regardless of whose pocket card is highest. |
Thats not always true. Someone could make a higher straight of course. However, in the case he cited both made the same straigh so you are correct, their pocket cards do not matter.
Justin
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:53 am GMT by klt
Excellent. It definitely seems fairer that way.
Thanks for the help 
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:25 am GMT by supafrey
The simplest way to explain it is to realize that your pocket cards hold absolutely no more value than the community cards. You don't have a worse hand just because you decide to use the community straight, rather than your own cards.
|
|
