Great Read or Stupid Call? |
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Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:38 am GMT by mangothebear
.25/.50 NL
I have around $45.
I was in the Cut Off seat with KK (suits don't matter in this one)
One limper in front of me. I make it $3.00 to go. Only the early position limper calls.
I haven't been at the table for very long but he seems way too loose and a bit of a maniac to me.
Flop comes A 3 5 rainbow.
Damn, didn't want to see that Ace. He bets $4 and I raise him to $10. Even if he has a weak ace (he would probably raise preflop with AT and above anyway), I want to represent the AK. Unfortunately, he calls.
Turn is 4.
There's a $26 pot in the middle. He makes a big bet ($22), practically putting both of us all in. If I call I only have $10 left. Its all in or fold time.
My reasoning was that if he had a weak ace, he would want to play for a smaller pot and show it down, not force me to move in on him (which I would surely do if I had the AK I was representing here).
As for the straight, it was very difficult for me to believe even HE would play a 2 to a big raise preflop. It's not impossible, just wasn't likely in my mind. And most players with a straight would try to value bet the turn and river against AK, not try to blow them out of the water.
For these reasons, I thought he had either a set or was bluffing.
Because he had shown he was extremely aggressive in previous hands, I put him on a bluff and moved all in. He called and I thought I was screwed.
He shows down K7. He had absolutely no business staying in there on preflop, flop, turn or river. What was the guy thinking. He had absolutely no draw and was pretty much drawing dead. He almost got me to lay down my Kings though.
I would normally not make this call, but the way the hand played out made me really believe the Kings were good.
Do you think this is wishful thinking on my part and I'm just rationalizing a bad play?
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Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:43 am GMT by Ensano
If you ask me it all comes down to what you were thinking at the time...
quote="mangothebear"I haven't been at the table for very long but he seems way too loose and a bit of a maniac to me...
...Even if he has a weak ace (he would probably raise preflop with AT and above anyway), I want to represent the AK. ....
Turn is 4...
..My reasoning was that if he had a weak ace, he would want to play for a smaller pot and show it down, not force me to move in on him (which I would surely do if I had the AK I was representing here)....
As for the straight, it was very difficult for me to believe even HE would play a 2 to a big raise preflop. It's not impossible, just wasn't likely in my mind. And most players with a straight would try to value bet the turn and river against AK, not try to blow them out of the water.
For these reasons, I thought he had either a set or was bluffing.
Because he had shown he was extremely aggressive in previous hands, I put him on a bluff and moved all in. He called and I thought I was screwed./quote
If you were working this out in your head iduring the hand/i... then I'd say you made a good read and a good play.. but if in fact all there was in your head was someone singing, "nana nana nana nana nana nana nana nana POCKET KINGS!!"... then it was a terrible play
quote="mangothebear"He shows down K7. He had absolutely no business staying in there on preflop, flop, turn or river. What was the guy thinking. He had absolutely no draw and was pretty much drawing dead. He almost got me to lay down my Kings though.quote
maybe he had that program everyone is talking about where he could see your hole cards and new you couldn't like that ace on the board and was trying to push you off....
Posted Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:29 pm GMT by mangothebear
Believe it or not, this was the general train of thought I was going through as these bets were being made. However, it was more muddled than the way I articulated it in this post of course.
When he made the big bet on the turn, I took around 30 seconds thinking it out. I first discounted the weak Ace theory and then rejected the straight theory as well.
Even I didn't think he has something as stupid as K7 but hey, such is low limit internet poker.
Posted Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:19 am GMT by gol4pro
This looks horrible to me.
I'm thinking he probably had a set given the way he played it, but some fish play AQ the same way.
He fires 2/3 of the pot on the flop. All you have is a pair of Kings, while an Ace is staring you right in the face. If I don't believe he has an Ace for some reason, I MAY come over the top to 12-14 and try to make him fold, but if he calls me there, I'm not comitting another dime.
What hands would he call a raise on the flop, then bet again on the turn that you have beat? There are none.
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