Q: How do you NOT go bust here? |
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Posted Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:19 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
A: You don't go bust here by, not raising preflop with A9os 
but hey ho, that's the kinda thing i do, i'm a moron 
nah, seriously, usually i could make a go of this hand with this board, or i get the hell out of the pot. i think this is just one of those things.
but i wanna lay it out so i can look at it myself, and if you have any comments yourself, feel free to pipe up.
- REDNECKSID sitting in seat 1 with $1500.00
- Stonevs sitting in seat 2 with $1420.00
- ladecash sitting in seat 3 with $1420.00
- renz21 sitting in seat 4 with $1590.00
- MSturge1982 sitting in seat 5 with $3140.00
- DeepRed2 sitting in seat 6 with $1470.00 Dealer
- Phixion2 sitting in seat 8 with $1490.00
- urko sitting in seat 9 with $1480.00
- Poolie1 sitting in seat 10 with $1460.00
Phixion2 posted the small blind - $10.00
urko posted the big blind - $20.00
** Dealing card to DeepRed2: Ace of Spades, 9 of Diamonds
Poolie1 folded
REDNECKSID folded
Stonevs folded
ladecash folded
renz21 called - $20.00 i think with so many folding, i had already decided to raise from button before this guy came in, i gotta stop doing that! but anyway, this guy doesn't feature in the play
MSturge1982 folded
DeepRed2 raised - $120.00
Phixion2 called - $120.00
urko folded
renz21 folded
** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 10 of Hearts, 7 of Spades ok horrible flop for A9os, what wouldn't have been? but i got 1 player heads up and i act last
Phixion2 checked
DeepRed2 checked silly move? i coulda bet, but i'm glad he didn't cos a free card is what i really want here
** Dealing the turn: 9 of Hearts ok that's better :D I have a 9 still not great but what more could i hope for
Phixion2 checked ok this guy obviously has no part of this whatsoever, lot of people would have just bet out at this automatically
DeepRed2 bet - $200.00 i'll just bet out for 80% of pot and take it down here thank you very much
Phixion2 called - $200.00 wtf? called? eh? ok, danger danger, what's he got? a 7?  a T? a worse 9 :D god i hope so 8)
** Dealing the river: 9 of Spades hah! it doesn't matter what he's got now, all that matters is what i got, and i got...... him beat!! muhahahaha  runner runner the top full house! omg! hahaha!
Phixion2 bet - $320.00 yay! he's betting into my boat, bring it on son, how much can i raise him here to extract a call......
DeepRed2 raised - $640.00 8)
Phixion2 went all-in - $860.00 hah! he must have slow played a 7, the poor poor boy, ok all your chips belong to me, just slide em over 
DeepRed2 went all-in - $510.00
Phixion2 shows: 10 of Spades, 10 of Diamonds eh?
Phixion2 wins $2980.00 from the main pot hey! where are my chips going??? why they sliding across to him? oh! sh*T !
End of game 256660275
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Posted Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:01 am GMT by Geno
I think folding pre-flop was not only wise, it was wot a monkey would have done. A blind monkey
Posted Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:23 am GMT by wEbMaStEr
ah come on, A9os on the button with only 1 caller behind you??? It's a raise every time! Where's your sense of adventure?
But yeah, this is where my problems in tourneys lie, i'll catch part of a flop or look half decent preflop and think "i can play this" and i'll get myself in mega trouble.
I mean don't get me wrong, a lot of times i'm right, and it works, but other times......... well....... see above. 
Posted Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:54 am GMT by ViperX883
Any time a player checks both the flop and turn and then cold calls a decent bet alarm bells shoudl start ringing. There are only two possible things that the player could have... a monster or a draw.
In the case of this hand, I don't put this guy on some kind of draw after the turn b/c he should have a decent hand considering he called the preflop raise, there aren't many high cards, and the board is pretty ugly. That's not to say that he isn't on a draw, but it seems to me that a really big hand is more likely (though I agree it is hard to put him on TT considering he limped preflop).
Now, once that river card comes down and it's your 9.0 Thats great. I understand the concept of value betting, as you did, but it has some issues here. First, you are only likely to get action if the guy hit his draw or if he already had you beat. In both cases, you will get reraised and lose a huge portion of your stack. If he missed a draw, then when you bet out he is just gonna fold anyway. My point is that in all of these cases you stand to gain nothing, but you stand to lose a whole lot. IMO, the right play here is a check. Settle for a smaller pot if you win and lose the minimum if you don't.
What do others think?
Posted Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:42 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Well the first thing to say would be that u were unlucky to walk in to a monster. I don't think the initial raise with A 9o was that bad a play. I've raised with this hand before myself in certain situations. Chances are u probably had the best hand pre flop, but in this case unfortunately not!
After u hit the running nines u were basically hanging by the neck. Theres not a player on earth who wouldn't have lost money on that!
Very painful....
Posted Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:57 am GMT by Loonbat
You missed the flop information bet. If you had tossed a bet here and got called (or raised), you would have known to let go of the hand on the turn.
-Loon
Posted Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:34 am GMT by BeerWench13
Personally, the alarm would have gone off when the SB called my 6XBB raise preflop (which, personally, I would not have done with A9o, but I understand your thinking on this). I also think I probably would've bet out on the flop since I raised preflop. Sure I didn't hit that board, but he doesn't know that. If he had AK, AQ, or any other high cards, then he would probably fold.
Also, the smooth call on the turn would have made that alarm so loud in my head that I couldn't see straight. But, there wasn't much you could do when the boat came on the river. By then, there was no way you could get away from that hand, however, you could've avoided going broke possibly by just calling his bet instead of re-raising. Of course you're thinking you just drew out to the nuts on the guy, so that would be tough to do also.
When I was reading the transcript (I love your thought commentary by the way) my first thought was that he flopped quads and waited for you to catch up before betting.
Either way, once the river came I don't see how you could've folded.
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