1-2 NL Live... what went wrong? |
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Posted Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by Rounder Wannabe
1-2 NL Live game.... i've been agonizing over this hand since it happened and i will be for sometime to come...but i gotta know..what went wrong? Did i play this wrong? Did he play it wrong? Was it just dumb luck? Help me out so i can avoid this next time.. if its avoidable.
1-2 NL
Cards are folded around to me on the BUTTON,
Me (Button): Pocket 10's (no diamond), I raise the pot $10 to go.
SB Calls $10
BB Raises $20 to go
Button, SB Calls 20.
$60 bucks in the pot pre flop.
FLOP:
Q-10- (rag) 2 diamonds on the board
SB: Checks
BB: Bets $10
Me (button): Goes All In for $110 (120$ total)
SB Folds
BB agonizes over the call for a good few minutes and finally calls
BB: POCKET ROCKETS (one diamond)
ME: Set of 10's
...and wouldn't you believe...
Turn: DIAMOND
RIVER: DIAMOND
He caught runner runner flush. I drowned on the river after getting kicked in the nuts. I was speechless, so was the rest of the table. Even the floor supes who were watchin had their jaws dropped.
That was the end of the day for me... For therest of the day i had a migraine agonizing over what went wrong. ...
did i overbet the pot?
was my all in to protect against the flush correct?
was he wrong in staying in, even though he held pocket aces?
Should i have raised more pre flop?
Should I have went all in pre flop?
and last but not least,
should i have just jumped from the second floor where the poker room was after that instead of usin the escalator? LOL
thanks for any constructive criticism
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Posted Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:29 pm GMT by ttbtkbtaib
Tough hand. I'd say that you both played it right.
With a pot of $70 your bet was almost double the pot. That should have been enough to severely discourage anybody with the flush draw as the pot odds were horrible.
The guy with AA is going to call or raise any bet as long as the board isn't suited or 3 to a straight.(eg. 9,10,J) He probably knew at that point he was beaten but he had outs with the dreaded back door nut flush draw as well. 
Even if you didn't go all-in lets say you raised the amount of the pot. You raise to $70, AA is either calling or raising you anyway(probably all-in). If he just calls and that 3rd diamond hit you're pretty much pot committed (pot is now $210 and you have $50) so you're gonna put the rest of your money in anway.
So like I said above, IMHO, played correctly by both parties. Runner, runner flush....that's poker. 
Posted Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:09 pm GMT by Phil14312
You hit your set, put your money in. Poker is about making the right decisions, sometimes the cards don't follow, but then all the fish would be broke if that was the case. Be confident you made the right decisions and got all your money in and he outdrew you. If you think that you would play this any differently next time, that is wrong. Bad results often happen from a good play and frequently good results from a bad play. Just try to make the best plays you can and it'll even out in the end.
Posted Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:39 am GMT by Skribbles
You got all your money into the pot as a big favorite.
Asides from a runner, runner straight or flush he has 2 outs. With my horrid math skills you win this hand about 95% of the time.
Posted Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:02 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Tough beat, you played it better than him - I would like to see a bigger raise with AA.
One thing though - You seem to be sweating the beat a little too much. Are the stakes over your head?
Posted Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:29 pm GMT by howzit
sorry dude. You'll see many more agnozing hands along the way. But on a happier note, you'll make a bunch of hilarious suckouts to make up for the bad beats.
You don't have a fundmanetal knowledge of poker yet, YOU DON'T WANT A FOLD!!! You want AA to call you every time. In fact, you're lucky AA called you here.
The more hands you'll play, the less it'll hurt. It hurts but you'll find another situation to make up for it.
OK, on to a Korean BBQ dinner for July 4th. Happy Birthday USA.
Posted Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:06 pm GMT by titans4ever
Sucks making the right call and still getting beat, thus why it is called gambling. Things like this happen all the time to people. You need to look at your decision based on the situation and not the results. I have taken so many beatings like that to count. I started to look at my nights grinding differently. I don't base my night on $$$$$ but how many right or wrong calls I have made. In the long run if you make more right calls the $$$$$ will fall your way. People can get lucky short term but skill will eventually prevail.
You get back in there and you win the next two hands like that and you will be smiling again.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:47 am GMT by Rounder Wannabe
| 1988 TR wrote: | | You seem to be sweating the beat a little too much. Are the stakes over your head? |
stakes aren't over my head. Bad beats like that are just hard to swallow, even harder to forget about.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:46 am GMT by Phil14312
| Rounder Wannabe wrote: | | 1988 TR wrote: | | You seem to be sweating the beat a little too much. Are the stakes over your head? |
stakes aren't over my head. Bad beats like that are just hard to swallow, even harder to forget about. |
I think you are missing the point about the stakes. If it bothers you that much to take beats like this, that unfortunately, are relatively common, then perhaps the stakes are a bit high.
If the stakes are not high, well then certainly you must be able to shake this off and move on to the next hand.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:38 pm GMT by arras
I read recently something that said, if you don't lose a lot of money when you lose with a set, you didn't play it right. That is a very loose quote that I believe is from Lee Jones.
I like the way you played it, but like others have said, it happens, it's poker.
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:27 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| Rounder Wannabe wrote: | | 1988 TR wrote: | | You seem to be sweating the beat a little too much. Are the stakes over your head? |
stakes aren't over my head. Bad beats like that are just hard to swallow, even harder to forget about. |
I take tough beats all the time - for much more money than you are talking about here - The point is, that if it is bothering you that much, either :
1) You are relatively new at this & aren't used to losing with a good hand
2) The money you were playing for was more than you were willing to lose
3) You don't have the right temperment for poker
I think it is mostly 1 & 2. The more you play, you are going to see much worse beats than this..... Where a guy wants to stone cold bluff with 67 into your trip kings..... with only an 8 on the board..... and then he runner, runners 9 10.
This guy only needed an Ace to crack you - Much more common - He had the best hand preflop and on the river. That's poker!
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