Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:15 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
$5 SnG 3-table on PokerStars.
Very early in the game, I am dealt QQ. Guys raises the BB of 20 to 40. I raise to 80. It proceeds to heads-up.
Flop
3 4 5 with 2 hearts... probably didn't hit a guy who raised and then called a re-raise. He checks. I bet 100. He re-raises to 400.
Here is where I may have erred. I didn't put him on aces or kings (or even A2 or especially 67), so I re-raised all-in for the rest of my stack (1200 more or so). He immediately calls.
He turns over A  J
All he has is a gut-shot straight draw and a flush draw with one overcard (perhaps he believed he had two). Did I get screwed here? Was I wrong to go all-in, or was he the one wrong in calling with just a draw so early in the game, as I believe? In general, I try to avoid such marginal situations, but I did not anticipate him calling.
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Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:45 am GMT by Muck
I’d play this situation pretty fast (in this case that means I’d lose a lot faster than you did  ).
First off I’m going to payoff AA and KK, so be it.
I’d play preflop the same, maybe raise a fraction more depending on the pot and your position.
On the flop I’m looking for Aces or Kings, if none fall I’d put myself ahead. I wouldn’t fear A2 either unless I consider the guy foolish. So all that’s left is to push out flush and gut shot draws.
I’d want to take the pot down right here so I’d bet out between pot and 200. I’d raise any re-raise and call an all-in. If he called I’d be all-in if the river is a blank.
I don’t think I could have got away from this one either :
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:56 am GMT by Skribbles
I would have probably called his re-raise to see the turn. If the turn was a blank I would have pushed in. Calling on the flop is not a bad play in my opinion. You may get sucked out, but you had your money in with the best hand. Nothing more you can ask for.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:34 am GMT by ShoelessJoe
I honestly think that both of you played it correctly.
Let's take it from his point of view first. He calls with A J . The flop comes 3 low cards that probably didn't help his opponent. So when you bet, he obviously re-raises to try to steal it right there. Then though, you push. If I were him, there's two ways to think about this. You could either have AK (without the hearts obviously) or a pocket pair. Now, if you have 10's-6's then he's getting pot odds to call here. Let's assume for simplicity sake that there's 1,000 in the pot and your all-in was for 1,000. That means all he has to have is a 33% chance of winning this hand to make the call. Therefore if he believes you have 10's-6's then it's the right call, and I'm sure that was his read. Also, if he thinks you have JJ, QQ, or KK, he's still getting 50-50 with that drawing hand so it's the right call as far as pot odds go.
Then for your play.
While you want to survive early on in any tourney, sometimes if you get the cards, it's time to make a move. You put your opponent on A-x obviously, a good read. If he's any type of player then he may call after you push knowing that you could be trying to steal. Therefore I think you made the right play, putting him at a decision for the chips in front of him.
I like both plays.
That's the thing about poker, sometimes both players can play it right and one person just gets screwed.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:56 pm GMT by TheSalche
I think you know as well as the rest of us that at such low stakes, it was quite likely that he would be on just a flush draw, but if you give him some intelligence, at least a ISD and an overcard too. This is a situation where he has so many outs, and with a decent amount of chips in the pot already, he has to call.
I think its up to you really. You can either fold to his re-raise if you put him on some sort of draw ... and then try to regain your chips and keep pushing to try to get into the money. OR you can say hey, this may be a coinflip, and it may be a good spot for me to try and double up, and I'll have a much better shot at winning this thing.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:32 pm GMT by BeerWench13
I probably would've raised a bit more preflop, but he would've probably called either way with that hand. I agree with the push on the flop. I'd have done the same trying to push out the drawing hands. He had a lot of outs and hit them. Tough hand to have, especially early in a SNG.
Posted Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:06 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Yeah, after reviewing the play a bit, that may be one instance in which neither of us made an "incorrect" move. He had a lot of outs to make his hand, and was actually a slight favorite at the time. With 1/3+ of his stack invested, it isn't a horrible call, and neither was my pushing all-in to try and drive him out. If I had called on the flop, when the turn came up short I might have been able to push all-in and make him drop out with only one card to come instead of two, but I didn't actually expect him to call at all. I took a chance, I lost, oh well. Thanks for the advice, all.
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:44 am GMT by Loonbat
And while they were low cards on the flop, he might have had a set. I've seen far crazier things happen than a min raise with a small pp at those stakes.
-Loon
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:19 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
All he has is a gut-shot straight draw and a flush draw with one overcard (perhaps he believed he had two). |
All he had? I think he had 15 outs - He is the slight favorite.
I think the play was OK though - I would have raised more pre flop. But I don't see a problem pusing here. It just happens that any Ax s gives him a lot of outs.
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:22 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | All he had? I think he had 15 outs - He is the slight favorite |
I guess you didn't read the whole thread?
| Quote: | | Yeah, after reviewing the play a bit, that may be one instance in which neither of us made an "incorrect" move. He had a lot of outs to make his hand, and was actually a slight favorite at the time. |
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:32 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| BeerWench13 wrote: |
I guess you didn't read the whole thread?
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Very insightful. Thanks board nazi.
Posted Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Very insightful. Thanks board nazi. |
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