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Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:01 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
MTT Tournament, blinds at 200/400. I get AA in late position. 3 limpers. I raise to 1200. 3 callers.
Flop
A 2 5 with 2 spades. It's bet 400 to me. I raise to 2000. 2 callers.
Turn
Blank. Checked to me, I bet 5000. 1 caller.
River
Final spade. Joker bets 200 into me. I flat call knowing I'm beat. He flips over 4  8
What the hell was this guy doing in there with 84s to a 1200 raise and then a 200 bet on the flop? I'm afraid if I push all-in on the turn he calls with a draw and makes it, which he would have. But was that in fact what I had to do? That was one of the worst beats of my life, and an a-hole in my room says I played it poorly. I wanted to tell him to go f**k himself, but I can't help but think he was right.
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Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:12 am GMT by snoogins47
"I'm afraid if I push all-in on the turn he calls with a draw and makes it, which he would have."
Get that out of your head right now, or be prepared to have it beaten out of you by most of the forum.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:32 am GMT by Skribbles
I would have made it at least 1600, 2000+ depending on the table and stack sizes.
The limpers have already commited 400 to the pot. Not many people would lay down a hand they want to play for another 800.
I would have also raised more on the flop. The pot had to have been around 5000 at that point, if you want people out, you have to push them out.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:51 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
You're right guys... but in the moment I was so crushed that my mind stopped working. I had to push all-in on the turn, that was it.
Consequently I ended up winning the satellite into the big 500k tourney, so the universe worked itself out.
Yeah it was a no-brainer... no need to post anymore replies. I was dumb.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:11 am GMT by Hold'em 07
These are the exact hands that I hate so much. Let's say I get QQ in EP I can raise about 7x the BB and still get 3 callers. Flop comes Low cards with no King's no Aces but 2 of the same suit. I bet again about the size of the pot now which is a lot compared to the chip stacks and still get 2 callers. Turn is another low card giving it 3 to the flush. River is an A of the same suit. Right now this is where I flip the table over and curse out the other players for flipping over A3, suits don't matter and 10 7 with one of the suit that made the flush.
It's hands like these in games like these where the strategy be tight agressive and wait for premium hands doesn't pay off. You just have to let these people that call with these hands get knocked out by others and while yes you will be short stacked at the final table compared to everyone else, it's more than likely going to be tight-agressive players sitting there because the loose cannons didn't catch anymore flushes on the river with 4 to the flush on the board. In this type of situation you just need to work on your short handed game so that way when you get to the final table after all these crazy players get knoked out you can take everyones money.
It also doesn't hurt to pick up a few big pots in the beginning of the tourney as well. lol
It's worked a couple times for me but the other times they do seem to get lucky a lot more than anyone else.
I know you probably don't need all this advice but i wrote it for everyone else's ideas on this situation.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:46 pm GMT by TheSalche
useless reply adding no new content
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Posted Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:22 pm GMT by gol4pro
Honestly, I think pushing here is a mistake. We want Sr. Monkey to fish here, but we want to make him make a bad decision to fish nonetheless.
Bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. He's drawing to 7 outs, and if he hits him, then god bless him for risking most of his stack as an 85% dog.
Stack sizes would help greatly
Posted Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:48 pm GMT by krakajak
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: | MTT Tournament, blinds at 200/400. I get AA in late position. 3 limpers. I raise to 1200. 3 callers.
Flop
A 2 5 with 2 spades. It's bet 400 to me. I raise to 2000. 2 callers.
Turn
Blank. Checked to me, I bet 5000. 1 caller.
River
Final spade. Joker bets 200 into me. I flat call knowing I'm beat. He flips over 4 8
What the hell was this guy doing in there with 84s to a 1200 raise and then a 200 bet on the flop? I'm afraid if I push all-in on the turn he calls with a draw and makes it, which he would have. But was that in fact what I had to do? That was one of the worst beats of my life, and an a-hole in my room says I played it poorly. I wanted to tell him to go f**k himself, but I can't help but think he was right. |
You bet too weak early on. The 3x BB raise PF is fine against a single limper, but against 3, I lke a much larger raise.
On the flop, you bet 2,000 into a $4,800 pot, giving your opponents almost 4:1 odds to call. With implied odds, any flush draw is definately making the right play by calling.
The turn is a little better. 5000 into a 10,000 pot is enough that the flush draw is making a mistake by calling, especially if he is going to negate his implied odds by betting so weakly on the river when he hits. Even if, as he thought, he had 9 outs, he's 4:1 against hitting. But a better player would have juiced you for enough on the river to almost make his call correct. I think you should have bet more here as well, to force the draw to make an even bigger mistake by calling.
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