I really need to jam the pot on the flop dont I |
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Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:49 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
2/4 at FullTilt, pretty ABC players with a few quasi fish that enjoy giving away money, especially with pocket pairs.
Decided not to reraise pre-flop because there's still half the table to act behind me, and I don't want to scare people off in case I flop my draw. Guy reraise anyways, and we've got a decent sized pot.
Flop hits me huge, and here's where I froze up. For whatever reason, I convinced myself to just call instead of raise, I guess because I wanted to "slowplay" my big draw and raise the bigger bets on the turn. I put the pre flop reraiser for a big pair which potentially became a set, or AK so I'm outkicked, so I knew full well the flop would probably be capped in that case if I raised, and if I hit my flush, it would be a massive pot. Original raiser probably had an ace, maybe two pair, or a broadway draw, so I figure I'm probably behind to both players. I got a fortunate river card and everything worked out, but should I be raising the flop?
Dealer: You have been dealt  
Dealer: 8yearOldsDude folds
Dealer: rtpete01 folds
Dealer: bumblebee01 raises to $4
Dealer: RiverMan1969 folds
Dealer: MaxPowerSC calls $4
Dealer: DFrosty1 folds
Dealer: pokerbrat01 folds
Dealer: Kat_Won raises to $6
Dealer: bumblebee01 calls $2
Dealer: MaxPowerSC calls $2
Dealer: The flop is   
Dealer: Kat_Won bets $2
Dealer: bumblebee01 calls $2
Dealer: MaxPowerSC calls $2
Dealer: The turn is 
Dealer: Kat_Won bets $4
Dealer: bumblebee01 calls $4
Dealer: MaxPowerSC raises to $8
Dealer: Kat_Won raises to $12
Dealer: bumblebee01 raises to $16
Dealer: MaxPowerSC calls $8
Dealer: Kat_Won calls $4
Dealer: The river is 
Dealer: Kat_Won bets $4
Dealer: bumblebee01 calls $4
Dealer: MaxPowerSC raises to $8
Dealer: Kat_Won calls $4
Dealer: bumblebee01 calls $4
Dealer: MaxPowerSC shows a flush, Ace high
Dealer: Kat_Won mucks
Dealer: bumblebee01 shows two pair, Aces and
Jacks
Dealer: MaxPowerSC wins the pot ($94) with a
flush, Ace high
Does anyone hate calling the flop and raising the turn? Really trying to hone my game and working on trying to get maximum value out of my hands, so any advice is appreciated.
*edit* Kat_Won flopped a set of jacks, so flop would definitely have been capped
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Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:18 pm GMT by age_of_sages
I don't mind your flop call here. From the looks of it, that sign of weakness on the flop is what enables you to get the turn betting capped. I think if you had raised the flop the turn betting would have looked similar to what you got on the river. So waiting to raise until the bets were more worked out well for you.
Good hand.
Posted Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:01 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Not a terrible play at all - You hit a great hand - Top pair plus 4 flush, flush inside straight draw.
Not to mention, you could even be behind on the flop to commonly played hands like A10, and AJ. Might as well see how the hand develops before jamming the pot.
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:24 pm GMT by Aves
I think you should definitely be raising (and hopefully capping) the flop because you said yourself that you hit the flop huge. Raising the flop does 2 very good things for you.
1) It lets you know how much your opponents like their hands so you can make better judgements later on.
2) It gets a lot of money in the pot when you have a lot of equity (about 40% with 3 people in as long as no one flopped the straight). You have 9 flush outs and 4 straight outs (maybe counted as 2-3 since you might split).
When the blank hits the turn. You're equity goes down to about 20-25% so on the turn I would actually be very hesitant to raise since you know at the moment you are most likely behind to someone with 2 pair, set, or a straight. Lastly, the river plays itself out for the most part.
I believe this line will lose you the least amount of money when you don't catch but still makes a decent amount when you do.
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