Posted Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:04 pm GMT by Launchpad
Was playing 2/4 limit at Tropicana on saturday. Had lots of fun. This one hand, i had pocket Queens. Flops comes K, 8, Q. Got a set now and someone in front bets, i raise and he calls. Turn was another 8. At this point, i am confident that he doesn't have pocket 8's, i had him on a straight. Low and behold, river was a J. Then his cell phone rings and he picks it up in the middle of play and starts talking to his buddy while the dealer had to tell him twice to get off the phone. The dealer is pissed at this point and he doesn't seem to care. Anyways, he got his straight and bets, i reraise and through all the confusion, he just calls.
Just wanted to share my story, that's all. But don't these people realize no phones while playing?
Overall, i liked Tropicana. Only played at Taj and Bally's previously.
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Posted Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:23 pm GMT by K-rug
I love the Trop. Just don't sit at the 1/2 NL table. It is yesterday's 2/4 Limit table.
Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:55 pm GMT by JadedIndividual
Trop is my favorite poker room in AC by FAR. Best dealers I've ever encountered.
Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:13 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Just don't sit at the 1/2 NL table. It is yesterday's 2/4 Limit table. |
Actually it depends on the table. I've had great success at the $1/$2 tables at the Trop. You just have to be patient and don't expect the fisherman to fold when you kill their odds.
Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:43 pm GMT by K-rug
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | Quote: | | Just don't sit at the 1/2 NL table. It is yesterday's 2/4 Limit table. |
Actually it depends on the table. I've had great success at the $1/$2 tables at the Trop. You just have to be patient and don't expect the fisherman to fold when you kill their odds. |
Heh heh that's the point. I don't expect them to fold. I love the Trop though. The 1/2 NL table is ALOT different than it was 6 months or even a year ago.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:57 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | The 1/2 NL table is ALOT different than it was 6 months or even a year ago. |
You're 100% correct there. It was a lot tougher this time around to get anyone to respect a raise preflop or after. Personally I prefer it this way because I'm a patient player and I'll just wait and knock 'em down with a big hand then sit back and wait again.
Disclaimer: My two "bad beats" that I took in AC this past weekend were both hands that my opponent called a pot-sized bet on the flop with a gutshot and hit their 4-outer. Fortunately I had a good read on them and saved a bit of money on both hands.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:19 am GMT by hookedupmonte
this is 1 main reason the trop has opened higher no limit games, they usually have 2/5 and 5/10 running, sometimes when busy on the weekened ive seen 10/20 NL table open
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:53 am GMT by K-rug
quote="BeerWench13" | Quote: | | You're 100% correct there. It was a lot tougher this time around to get anyone to respect a raise preflop or after. Personally I prefer it this way because I'm a patient player and I'll just wait and knock 'em down with a big hand then sit back and wait again. |
I'm not sure "tougher" is the word I'd use. If by tough you mean the level of skill. Then no. If by tough you mean the fact you have to wait and play more premium hands because less holds up due to someone always chasing or tough because you have to wait so long and it's litterally exhausting then yes.
No offense BW, but if you were at my table and waited and waited and waited and then finally came in trying to knock down a forrest. One would/should think you have a big hand and fold unless their hand is really damn good. Then if you went back into ultra conservative mode again and came out swinging several rounds later, I'd do the same thing. You might be able to bluff me once or twice because of this. But I'd recognize you as a Dan Harrington and give you props the few times you play and bet big.
That's one of the problems with new kids. They don't recognize that and will often chase something setting you up for your big hand to "knock'em down" when they shouldn't.
Most home games are not 10-11 people with a dealer. They are 8 because of those damn table tops available everywhere and even then someone will bust out and it'll be down to 6 in a few hours. If you watch, these kids play an 11 person table like they do a 6 person table. Like you said, you can raise 3-4 times the BB and there isn't any respect. People want to see the flop and you'll get 4-6 callers.
The upper levles haven't changed that much. But the lower levels are just a different game these days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'm just hopefully pointing a few things out for someone who hasn't been or hasn't been in a while. The one thing that has changed negatively is the attitudes, egos and rude behavior. I actually saw someone flash their cards so as to represent a flush when in fact they didn't have it and would not turn their cards over so the the dealer to verify it when the dealer aske. It got ugly. One time I said to an kid who was running at the mouth, "Look if you were really as good as your mouth thinks you are, you wouldn't be playing at the lowest limit table." People laughed, he got quiet.
Either way, I love the Trop.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:28 am GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | If by tough you mean the fact you have to wait and play more premium hands because less holds up due to someone always chasing or tough because you have to wait so long and it's litterally exhausting then yes. |
That's exactly what I mean. And, as you stated, it was easy to get a read on the "good" players at the table because they were observant enough to get out of the way when I fired, especially preflop. Those who didn't seem to notice that I only played a few hands an hour were the ones paying me off.
I also agree with you regarding the attitudes. It's one thing to take a bad beat and shoot off at the mouth, but some of those "kids" are just plain rude. Maybe it's because I'm a southern girl and people are much more polite down here, but some of those people were just assholes whose mouths were writing checks that their skills couldn't cash.
I also had a couple at my table, sitting next to each other colluding. The positive side of this was when she would whisper what she had to him (and she did this numerous times), I could always read her lips, so she gave me the same information. She paid me pretty well also, but that was ethically wrong. They did receive a warning from one of the dealers about talking during play.
I also could tell which players were primarily tournament players or they got all their "training" from watching poker on TV. These were the guys who tried to bluff 7 out of 10 hands and whenever anyone would raise always seemed to want to come over top to take down the pot.
I'm not really complaining. These players are the ones that build my bankroll. Although, I will say that the colluding caused me to leave the table and the poker room for the night on Saturday.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:53 am GMT by supafrey
What's to stop you from looking directly at the woman, and in front of everyone saying :
"Please stop whispering your hole hards to your husband"
First off, it would keep some eyes on them for a while.
Second off, you're a girl - they're not gonna punch you in the face for it ^_^
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:55 am GMT by BeerWench13
I should have said something, I know. I don't think I was the only one who noticed either. I was just feeling non-confrontational (for once) and I knew that I was getting up pretty soon.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:22 am GMT by Launchpad
yeah, i was at trop on saturday, couple sitting next to me. I could definitely hear her whispering her cards to her husband at which point, he owuld fold, hahahahah. but i guess it helped me out.
But i see this all the time. I want to go wtih my girlfriend so she can play. I should ok to play at the same table as long as we aren't whispering our hands to each other right?
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:06 am GMT by BeerWench13
I got seated at a table with my husband Saturday. I immediately put in for a table change. My reasoning was not that I didn't want to sit with him, but it decreased my odds of making money. It does me no good to beat him in a hand and the odds are we'd end up facing one another at some point in some hand.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:09 am GMT by Miss_J
| BeerWench13 wrote: | | I got seated at a table with my husband Saturday. I immediately put in for a table change. My reasoning was not that I didn't want to sit with him, but it decreased my odds of making money. It does me no good to beat him in a hand and the odds are we'd end up facing one another at some point in some hand. |
i 100% agree, for friendly home games it's great to sit an play together, otherwise there is no point.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:16 pm GMT by K-rug
I hear ya Beerwench. The attitudes are definitely the biggest things that have changed. I told a few in IRC this story but I'll tell it here as it befuddles me.
On a recent trip to AC about a month and a half ago something happened that I'd never seen at a table in a casino before. A guy flat out lied about his cards, flashed them for a split second and refused to show the dealer his cards when asked and got very very defensive about it and tried to take the pot.
The short of it:
There was a possible red flush on the table. Two guys were going it big. Pot was very large. It comes down to heads up and the original bettor shows two pair or something other than a flush. The guy who called flashes his cards for a split second. They were red. Dealer started pushing chips towards his way when the original bettor asked to see the cards. The caller refused to show. The dealer pulled the chips back. The dealer asked the caller to show. The caller refused. My brother who is a very large (read muscular not fat) guy who had been drinking spoke up for the original bettor and dealer and said you don't win if you don't show and told him to show. The dealer backed up the comment and said something like, "Sir I need to see your cards or you don't win." The guy still refused. My brother sitting next to him told him to show his hands in a very stern voice. No profanity or yelling on his part though.
I'll stop here. It was a Friday night. The Tropicana was packed. But why the dealer didn't call over someone at this point is beyond me. Something about it didn't feel right.
Continuing…. The caller who wouldn't show starts to get angry and yelling. So finally my brother did something the dealer should have. In doing so my brother probably should have gotten kicked out of the poker room. He reached over and flipped up the guys cards. The guy goes ballistic. Turns out… He didn't have the flush. He was going to take the pot without having a damn thing. He had two red cards but they were not the same suit.
Finally a boss comes over because the guy is going off. The dealer explains the situation to the boss. They warn my brother to never ever do that again or he will be banned. But the dealer also thanks him after the boss leaves. The other guy got ejected. The pot was pushed to the correct guy and he too thanks my brother.
I'm a table away and hear all the commotion but could hear everything my best friend was playing at the table with my brother as well. I honestly could not believe the guy was going to cheat so outright. After we headed back to the room around 5am or so I gave my brother a tongue lashing about flipping over the cards. He said he knew he was wrong but being so close he saw the guys cards and knew he didn't have it. He was mad that the dealer started pushing the pot to the guy without seeing the cards and didn't have the balls to flip them over. That said, I told him he was lucky that he wasn't ejected as well. I told him next time to ask the dealer to bring a boss over immediately.
I have a half a dozen more stories like that. That attitudes of "the kids" playing these days has gotten a lot worse. Also, why the hell do they allow bachelorette parties to parade through the poker room? I'm a straight, recently engaged guy who like to look at drunken women. Let's be honest, who doesn't. But when I have $400 in a pot and they start coming through, it's a bit distracting.
Posted Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:27 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Also, why the hell do they allow bachelorette parties to parade through the poker room? I'm a straight, recently engaged guy who like to look at drunken women. Let's be honest, who doesn't. But when I have $400 in a pot and they start coming through, it's a bit distracting. |
I hear ya there. Last time I was there they were filming for some reality show and there were a bunch of girls that they were filming, a camera crew, sound crew, etc. who paraded all the way through the poker room and they sat at a table right next to mine and were yelling and cheering. That was a huge distraction for everyone.
Of course I don't get distracted by any drunken females, but every guy at the table was so focused on them I think it hurt their play. I know I took down a huge pot for a $1/2 table (about $650) during that time. The poor guy who lost thought he had two pair but was so distracted he'd forgotten his hand. It didn't matter anyway as I had trips, but I still felt badly for him.
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