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Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:08 pm GMT by age_of_sages
Ok here's a gray area in my game and I'm not sure what to do about it. Help and analysis would be appreciated.
Game #686435194: Texas Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/07/19 - 16:25:14 (ET)
Table "Ana" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: chetwyn ($6.84 in chips)
Seat 2: A.o.S. ($49 in chips)
Seat 3: Ystad ($69.63 in chips)
Seat 4: Sanfour ($44 in chips)
Seat 5: chfc1 ($56 in chips)
Seat 6: Gizzzzzzz ($18.25 in chips)
A.o.S.: posts small blind $0.50
Ystad: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to A.o.S.  
Sanfour: calls $1
chfc1: calls $1
Gizzzzzzz: calls $1
chetwyn: calls $1
A.o.S.: calls $0.50
Ystad: checks
----- FLOP -----   
A.o.S.: checks
Ystad: bets $1
Sanfour: folds
chfc1: calls $1
Gizzzzzzz: calls $1
chetwyn: folds
A.o.S.: calls $1
----- TURN ----- 
A.o.S.: checks
Ystad: bets $2
chfc1: calls $2
Gizzzzzzz: calls $2
A.o.S.: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- 
A.o.S.: checks
Ystad: bets $2
chfc1: folds
Gizzzzzzz: folds
A.o.S.: folds
Returned uncalled bets $2 to Ystad
Ystad: doesn't show hand
Ystad collected $17.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $18 Main pot $17.25 Rake $0.75
Board
Seat 1: chetwyn (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: A.o.S. (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Ystad (big blind) collected $17.25
Seat 4: Sanfour folded on the Flop
Seat 5: chfc1 folded on the River
Seat 6: Gizzzzzzz folded on the River
****HAND ENDS****
Should I even be in this hand?
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Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:17 pm GMT by 1988 TR
The call on the flop is debatable - You have 4 outs for the nuts - If you hit your king (3 more outs) you *might* be ahead. Would be better if you had a gut shot & 2 overcards instead of one.
I think on the turn, with nobody raising the whole way through, you should call here as now you have the flush draw also and enough money in the pot to warrant the $2 call.
Posted Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:24 pm GMT by snoogins47
| 1988 TR wrote: | The call on the flop is debatable - You have 4 outs for the nuts - If you hit your king (3 more outs) you *might* be ahead. Would be better if you had a gut shot & 2 overcards instead of one.
I think on the turn, with nobody raising the whole way through, you should call here as now you have the flush draw also and enough money in the pot to warrant the $2 call. |
I think the flop call is pretty standard, getting 9 to 1. Granted, you only have 3 outs to the nuts and you're vulnerable to redraws, but with the overcard and backdoor flush draw, I probably peel here too, especially since I'm closing the action.
Turn is standard too, no real sense in raising since your hand doesn't have any showdown value unless you improve, and folding, well, there's a lot LESS sense in that. Just one of those things where what you think you *should* do feels sketchy... but I think you've got it covered here.
Posted Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:07 pm GMT by Aves
The flop call is a little iffy since the Jd might complete a flush draw, but having 1 overcard does help a little. If you do catch a Jack, you might be able to trap a few people with a check raise so I think it's ok.
The turn however, I think it would be much better to lead out. You've picked up a flush draw and can easily represent trip deuces since you are in the small blind. You were going to call a bet on the turn anyway, so why not just bet it. Ystad most likely doesn't have a 2 himself cause he's leading into 5 people on the flop. He probly has a weak queen, 9, or a good draw. Betting the turn might even allow you to get a free showdown if you happen to catch a ten on the river and it gets checked through with your opponents having a pair of 9s.
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