Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:42 am GMT by Skribbles
.25/.50 NL
Hero: $50
Villain: $60
Hero: 10  10 
Hero UTG limps. Villain raises to $2. Hero calls.
Flop: 10  8 5 
Hero checks. Villain bets $2. Hero calls.
Turn: 6
Hero checks. Villain bets $8. Hero calls.
River 7
Hero bets $10. Villain calls.
I figured him for AK or AQ. Not much info on him, I had only been at the table for a couple orbits. With the flop being basically rags I ruled out an overpair when he only bet $2 on the flop. I called hoping for an A or K to hit. The board wasn't scary so I wasn't worried about giving him free/cheap cards. With me betting out he most likely thought I hit the straight so he only called.
Thoughts/Critisism?
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Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:52 am GMT by Tadzio
These are just questions, I'm not trying to indicate what the correct play should've been.
The flop didn't bring anything a set of 10's should worry about, so I think the check on the flop is a fine play, but the turn brought flush-draw and a straight possibility to life. A9s, A7s or a medium pocket pair like 99 isn't beyond the scope of possibility for a PF raise from an opponent you know nothing about. Why didn't you bet the turn for information and some fold equity? Once you checked it, why didn't you raise?
The river play is fine, imo. You thought you were ahead with the villian having an A in his hand. Betting 10 dollars into a 24 dollar pot after check/calling the whole way as though you're a really bad call-station turned bluffer is a nice way to get a call or raise from your opponent. What did he have? For some reason I'm thinking a pocket pair (not 9s or 4s, I hope) or A7s (hearts?).
A few more questions: Were you happy with the results of this hand? What were the results? Do you think you put your hand in danger of losing by checking so much, particularly after the turn showed? Were you happy with the amount of information you gathered by checking instead of betting? And finally, was your read on AK or AQ correct?
Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:24 am GMT by TheSalche
tough spot here ... obviously the villain is trying to get you to fold since he things your limp/call preflop is suspicious ... i agree that the small bet on the flop looks like two overcards
i raise the turn here ... with two hearts on board there is the slight possibility he has AK of hearts or something like that ... also if hes playing something like A9 or A7 you're risking the chances of filling an inside straight but thats unlikely ... since hes invested the $8 bet he may be inclined to call something else ... obviously you'd love to get full value out of your set
he might even have a hand like A10, or AA-JJ ... those and two high cards are what you're ahead of here ... and thats something the villain is likely to have
i know against me, jack 9 would also be a possibility, maybe even Jack 9 of hearts considering the larger turn bet with increased outs
i like the river value bet ... it looks like a 'come hither' bet from a guy that just filled an inside straight ... and obviously the villain has something if he called you down
/way too long analysis ... time for sleep
Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:41 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Tadzio wrote: |
A few more questions: Were you happy with the results of this hand? What were the results? Do you think you put your hand in danger of losing by checking so much, particularly after the turn showed? Were you happy with the amount of information you gathered by checking instead of betting? And finally, was your read on AK or AQ correct? |
I can't say I was happy about the hand but I did win it. He flipped over a set of 8's. I played the hand very poorly I think and could have got a much bigger profit from it.
I wasn't worried about losing the hand to him since I had him on overcards and in no way thought he had a straight draw. He raised from MP which even in .25/.50 means he has something decent. If he had his set, as he did, again, I wasn't worried since I had him beat.
I kept checking to him to let him bluff at the pot since I thought he'd missed. When the river hit and I thought it didn't help him I put out a smallish bet in hopes of him going over the top. I didn't want to check to him again in case he checked behind me and I'd lose value. With the 4 straight on the table he must of thought I was chasing it therefore didn't re-raise.
Salche: I didn't want to raise the turn and scare him off. As I figured him for overcards a re-raise would have push him out which I didn't want. I was trying to give him the oppurtunity to make TPTK that he would most likely over value. Had he back doored a flush on me, well, it would have been my own fault but it was a risk I was willing to take to try and get the most profit out of this hand (which I didn't do).
Thanks for the comments guys. I'm starting to play NL ring games again as low limit FL is just to damn frustrating. At least in NL if a guy sucks me out, it was most likely my fault or I could have done more to prevent it.
Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:23 pm GMT by Loonbat
I agree with a couple posts above and would have snapped the trap on the turn, with the check/raise.
Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:35 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I would have raised the flop - There are a few open ended possibilites there. And you can get a reraise if the guy really has a hand like a pocket over pair, 2 pair, A10, etc. Plus you are building the pot which will make a turn bet even harder to fold for the guy.
If they guy is just bluffing, you are not going to get much more out of him anyway unless he is a maniac.
Posted Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:19 pm GMT by howzit
it's fine. Check-raising the turn isn't going to get any more $ into the pot. Villain will likely fold is overpair and you're getting not much money into hte pot.
it's either check/call, lead turn. or check/call, check/call, lead river. I don't see villain holdng a hand here that can sustain a lot of pressure.
I actually like this line just because you're getting a lot of equity on the river and will probably see a call at the end.
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