Strange hand... N/L 2-4 $400 max buy-in (FTP) 6-handed |
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Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:04 am GMT by screwthepooch
Not sure if I can believe that all were holding the hands they claim, but I suppose it's possible, just trying to figure out the logic.
I'm on the button and get dealt A  4 Big blind gets raised to 18 by UTG...2 more callers, so I call too. Pot is now $78 including the blinds (who both folded).
Flop comes (K 10 2  )
I'm thinking..OMG am I gonna have to pay for this draw! UTG checks...next guy checks...one more check..
Checks around! So, I check and get to see my Q on the turn for free!
UTG checks, next guy checks, guy to my right bets $40. Since I have nut flush and there are two left to call, I just smooth call the $40. UTG calls...and so does the remaining player!!! (WTF???) I can't believe my luck here.
River comes: K 
So board is K 10 2 Q K
UTG checks, next guy checks...guy to my right goes all-in for $300.
I go ahead and call with my remaining $200 or so thinking that I very well might have lost to a rivered boat. The other 2 players fold and the guy to my right shows KJ (trip Kings) and the pot comes to me.
The guy to my right starts telling me how much I suck for calling the $40 turn bet..(apparently he didn't realize that I turned my flush instead of rivering it.) Additionally, he fails to notice that he (and the others allowed me to see the turn for FREE!). So, this guy is berating me and meanwhile, UTG claims he folded AK(bigger trips) and the remaining guy claims he folded AJ (Nut Str8). So, aside from the idiot who pushed all his chips in with 4th best hand, I'm still left wondering how I saw a turn for free?? I guess it might have been a failed check-raise?
Anyway, just thought I'd share as it was a strange hand. Althought I was worried about the boat on the river, I don't think I could have pushed anyone out if they had trips on the turn anyway, so I think I maximized my profit by just calling the $40. I welcome any comments or suggestions.
ScrewThePooch
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Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:11 am GMT by Loonbat
Even 6 handed, A4s is not a hand to cold call 4.5 bets. You got lucky with a hand that was dominated ... be happy.
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:39 am GMT by Muck
| screwthepooch wrote: | | folded AJ (Nut Str8). |
Did you retort with “why did you fold an unbeatable hand?”
Or even “why has this deck got two A?”
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:44 am GMT by ScanX
comments :
- I dont call that large of a raise preflop w/ just A4s
- I raise the turn...even if my hand is great I wouldnt want to risk that 2 pairs or set rivers a boat.
but then again I'm pretty tight, even 6 handed
"...with 4th best hand"
I didnt even bother counting but this is more like the 20th best hand or so...all the straights, flushes, boats, trips with better kicker and quads beat him.
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:48 am GMT by Muck
| ScanX wrote: |
"...with 4th best hand"
I didnt even bother counting but this is more like the 20th best hand or so...all the straights, flushes, boats, trips with better kicker and quads beat him. |
QQ, TT, 22, xy, AJ, KQ, KT, K2, J9, AK
I assume he meant 4th in this race (assuming the other guy’s didn’t lye about what they had).
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:51 am GMT by 1988 TR
| Muck wrote: | | screwthepooch wrote: | | folded AJ (Nut Str8). |
Did you retort with “why did you fold an unbeatable hand?”
Or even “why has this deck got two A?” |
? Not the nut hand, the nut straight.
The call preflop was pretty loose (You already knew that).
The river call was tough.....
But nice win!
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:51 am GMT by 1988 TR
| ScanX wrote: |
"...with 4th best hand"
I didnt even bother counting but this is more like the 20th best hand or so...all the straights, flushes, boats, trips with better kicker and quads beat him. |
4th best hand at the table.....
I would have raised the turn also. I think you would definitely won less this way though, so pooch's method ended up better. The problem is if you would have folded the river - I think a raise on the turn would have prevented the tough decision on the river.
I can tell you if I was the all in better, you would have been facing a boat. No way would I bet all in with just KJ.
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:14 am GMT by screwthepooch
| ScanX wrote: | comments :
- I dont call that large of a raise preflop w/ just A4s
- I raise the turn...even if my hand is great I wouldnt want to risk that 2 pairs or set rivers a boat.
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I agree it was a loose call, but suited connectors (albeit barely connected in this case) are made for family pots. Trust me, if an Ace flops without a 4, I'm not committing much money. I know I'm looking for a monster flop here but I feel with everyone having a fair amount of chips in front of them that if I hit, I make a killing, if not, then it's only $18.
As far as the betting on the turn went, I figured with UTG and UTG +1 checking on flop and turn, I didn't want to scare them out and didn't put them on anything as good as 2 pair in the first place. Admittedly, after they BOTH called the $40, I was more concerned. However with the aggressor being first to act, I would call that bet every time in the same situation...and occasionally lose to the boat, but mostly walk away with a bundle like I did. I did get lucky, but on the other hand, I don't think any of these guys made the right play on the flop to let me in.
My post was not just about my play, but asking for comments on the strange play of the others at the table btw.
Posted Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:31 am GMT by screwthepooch
| ScanX wrote: |
"...with 4th best hand"
I didnt even bother counting but this is more like the 20th best hand or so...all the straights, flushes, boats, trips with better kicker and quads beat him. |
ScanX,
You aren't so dumb to think that I really believed this guy had 4th best POSSIBLE hand, so why the need to be a dick? I notice you want to comment on my play, but no comments on the others?
ScrewThePooch
Posted Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:56 pm GMT by ScanX
| screwthepooch wrote: | | ScanX wrote: |
"...with 4th best hand"
I didnt even bother counting but this is more like the 20th best hand or so...all the straights, flushes, boats, trips with better kicker and quads beat him. |
ScanX,
You aren't so dumb to think that I really believed this guy had 4th best POSSIBLE hand, so why the need to be a dick? I notice you want to comment on my play, but no comments on the others?
ScrewThePooch |
Chill...I dunno you at all and I cant know if u're "dumb" or not so I didnt try to be a dick by saying this...I really thought u got it wrong and were talking about 4th best possible hand, not 4th best hand compared to 3 other players...which is irrelevant by the way, it doesnt mean his play is worse because of that (eventhough it's bad already)
"I notice you want to comment on my play, but no comments on the others?"
normally u can only trust what u see but if u really believe the AK and AJ then :
AK & KJ : that's what happen when u slowplay what isnt even a monster on a scary flop
AJ : it's normal he doesnt bet the flop, he made some sort of crying call on turn probably hoping for a rather cheap showdown and realised he was against flush or better on river
Posted Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:56 am GMT by howzit
how deep are you and your opponents?
I might call w/A4 suited BUT only w/the button and a few callers. Raise the turn to $120-130. Make me an argument that a set would pay you off on a river blank. Get the money in now as you're short-stacked it looks like. No need to get tricky w/4 players in the pot.
BTW, in a decent game, the aggresor "retard" is going to show up w/a set a lot of times so you'll have to raise the turn to not face uncomfortable river deceisions.
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