Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:54 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
People agree with this laydown, yes?
PokerStars Game #2266738479: Tournament #10686026, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/05 - 02:53:19 (ET)
Table '10686026 38' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Kirkman42 (15458 in chips)
Seat 2: mavrick2424 (17422 in chips)
Seat 3: ncassie28 (29303 in chips)
Seat 4: sigleb (18050 in chips)
Seat 5: Turn_Prophet (33075 in chips)
Seat 6: KNUTZARONI (15845 in chips)
Seat 7: smokingunn (41592 in chips)
Seat 8: iplayAAonly (41010 in chips)
Kirkman42: posts the ante 75
mavrick2424: posts the ante 75
ncassie28: posts the ante 75
sigleb: posts the ante 75
Turn_Prophet: posts the ante 75
KNUTZARONI: posts the ante 75
smokingunn: posts the ante 75
iplayAAonly: posts the ante 75
KNUTZARONI: posts small blind 600
smokingunn: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Turn_Prophet  
iplayAAonly: folds
Kirkman42: folds
mavrick2424: raises 1200 to 2400
ncassie28: calls 2400
sigleb: raises 6000 to 8400
NoJaX is connected
Turn_Prophet said, "this is my tightest fold ever"
Turn_Prophet: folds
KNUTZARONI: folds
smokingunn: folds
mavrick2424: folds
ncassie28: calls 6000
*** FLOP ***   
iplayAAonly said, "Will anyone sell their seat for cash if they qualify?"
ncassie28: bets 20828 and is all-in
sigleb: calls 9575 and is all-in
Turn_Prophet said, "i will"
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ncassie28: shows   (three of a kind, Queens)
sigleb: shows   (three of a kind, Tens)
Turn_Prophet said, "i had JJ"
ncassie28 collected 40750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40750 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Kirkman42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mavrick2424 folded before Flop
Seat 3: ncassie28 showed and won (40750) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 4: sigleb showed and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: Turn_Prophet (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KNUTZARONI (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: smokingunn (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: iplayAAonly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Pre-flop Analysis
EP raise, immediate call, then a re-raise. I have every reason to believe that someone has QQ, KK, or AA. This time I trusted my read and it turned out to be right. It was a very tight fold, but probably one of my best folds of all time.
Concur?
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Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:48 am GMT by ScanX
what's so very tight about it ?
a raise and a reraise in front of you, JJ never looks good in that situation
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:13 am GMT by Skribbles
Did you win your seat?
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:21 am GMT by Soup_dog
Looks like a smart play to me.
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:58 pm GMT by screwthepooch
I agree that it was a great play. JJ may look good when you see it in your hand, but up against huge raises and re-raises, you should treat it like pocket deuces. Best hope is they both have AK or AQ which puts you at close to even (or less if both are in). More likely (as you found out), you are underpair to one or both of them. I guess there is also the hope that they both have pocket underpairs, but not likely that BOTH are in that situation. Good fold..how did you end up doing after that?
ScrewThePooch
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:28 pm GMT by Loonbat
Good laydown ... if shortstacked, it's another story.
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:20 pm GMT by TheSalche
reminds me of nick frangos laying down queens to kings and jacks ... solid play
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:44 pm GMT by Geno
I don't mean this to be rude at all but I'd call that a no-brainer fold in any type of game, perhaps even short-stacked. You were so obviously beaten when he re-raised that there was absolutely no way you could stay in the hand.
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:52 pm GMT by Dave B
This is one thing that has really helped my tourney play. I used to think w/ any pair 77-JJ, ok, likely a coin flip, lets gamble. I have moved to, OK, no need to risk my chips at this point, I will get better opportunities later. Surprisingly, you dont usually have to wait too long.
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:54 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I think we are all going to agree here that JJ is an easy fold there. I would seriously consider laying down QQ also. I can't lay down KK though. Someone is going to have to show me their aces.
Posted Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:10 pm GMT by Skribbles
The only way I would have played this hand is if I was extremely short-stacked or had a HUGE chip lead and a gamble wouldn't hurt my lead.
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