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Posted Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:51 pm GMT by zinn0
Playing $1/2 NL. I was UTG and had K  Q . I make it $5 to go and it folds to the blinds, who both call. The flop was J  10 9  , a very nice flop for me. The SB bets $10. BB raises to $30. (are you serious?) I go into the tank and try and decide the best course of action...can I smooth call the $30, or do I push here? I decided that I should probably push now so if there is a set or 2 pr out there, they will have to pay to make their boat. So I go all-in for about $210 total.
The SB looks pretty bummed out but he goes into the tank for like 3 minutes and finally says, "I can't believe I am folding this hand", and mucks his cards. The BB says, "I think we have the same hand, I call" and flips up the K  Q . SB laughs and says he folded 7 8. Basically, by pushing all-in, I cost myself and the guy next to me a lot of money by chasing out the smaller straight. Do you guys think I made the right move by pushing here, or should I have smooth called trying to get more money in the pot. Mind you, I didn't know that all three of us had straights, and I really feared 2 pr or a set.
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Posted Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:32 pm GMT by ScanX
my only remark (I assume the game is full handed) :
raise 2.5x BB w/ KQs UTG, I dont agree.
it's a trouble hand and u dont even have position to play it.
u might be called by AK or AQ and in a world of trouble if u flop a K or a Q.
for the rest u didnt make a mistake by pushing, but I personnaly call here hoping the turn card doesnt pair the board and kills my nuts.
Posted Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:37 pm GMT by zinn0
Scan, would you open limp with this hand, fold it, or make a smaller raise? I hate making the minimum raise almost as much as I hate open limping, but I guess I just don't know what to do in this situation with this hand. I think a minimum raise either does two things, screams weakness or screams monster. I guess I should have limped to see what I was up against?
edit: Scan, your assumption is right, 9 handed ring game.
Posted Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:51 pm GMT by ScanX
| zinn0 wrote: | Scan, would you open limp with this hand, fold it, or make a smaller raise? I hate making the minimum raise almost as much as I hate open limping, but I guess I just don't know what to do in this situation with this hand. I think a minimum raise either does two things, screams weakness or screams monster. I guess I should have limped to see what I was up against?
edit: Scan, your assumption is right, 9 handed ring game. |
certainly not minimum raise, it's the worse thing u could do.
I would limp if KQ is suited and fold if not.
but be very cautious post flop.
Posted Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:38 am GMT by cdjos
| ScanX wrote: | | I would limp if KQ is suited and fold if not. |
As someone who respects your cartman authori-tie /cartman, why couldn't you limp with KQo?
I know you're out of position, but if you aren't raised and the flop is ace free you should be in good shape. Most people will raise AK AQ especially in later positions pre-flop.
Posted Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:54 am GMT by ScanX
| cdjos wrote: | | ScanX wrote: | | I would limp if KQ is suited and fold if not. |
As someone who respects your cartman authori-tie /cartman, why couldn't you limp with KQo?
I know you're out of position, but if you aren't raised and the flop is ace free you should be in good shape. Most people will raise AK AQ especially in later positions pre-flop. |
because the pot will be raised very often behind me preflop forcing me to fold my KQ and so waste a blind.
actually I should probably fold KQs too as I wouldnt like calling the raise with that hand either....but if it isnt too large and there are callers already I would maybe call hoping to flop a flush draw.
some will say I'm crazy to just fold that hand, but the position is really horrible and it's hard to play it when u dont have at least 2 pairs.
I've seen many times people not raising or just min-raising with AK/AQ...and u cant decently fold to a min-raise after having limped in.
And then u get in a check-call spiral to see that u are outkicked.
I also fold AJo and AQo UTG full handed
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:07 am GMT by howzit
many 1-2NL don't get raised preflop.
if this is how the game is playing then limping w/KQs is ok.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:20 am GMT by Muck
I’ve found KQo to be a troubled hand regardless of whether an ace falls, just because it’s still behind to someone who hasn’t hit their ace (if the flop helps no one). This is more a personal thing, I play a lot of weak players and not being able to give up an ace is a common symptom.
I don’t like the EP raise but you were lucky and end up with position on the flop.
I agree that you defiantly had to re-raise on the flop but I would have gone for a little less, maybe $120-$150 (then all-in on the turn). I think the outcome would have been exactly the same but the bet just seems more judged and less like a “better safe than sorry” move.
Posted Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:39 am GMT by Cyberhwk
| zinn0 wrote: | | "I can't believe I am folding this hand", and mucks his cards. <Snip> SB laughs and says he folded 7 8. |
I can't believe he folded it either. Flops a straight and lays it down. That must have been one killer read he had.
Posted Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:42 am GMT by 1988 TR
I would have just smooth called here. Although I almost never do this, this is one hand I could.
My thought is trips aren't going to fold here anyway (Most guys, sure some could lay it down), so you are only chasing off the weaker hands & draws (open ended), etc.
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