Posted Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:55 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
$1/$2 NL Hold'em Table. I am in the big blind with 10  9 .
Pre-flop
P1 calls, P2 raises to $7, P5 calls, P6 calls, P9 (SB) calls. I am now getting 6-to-1 on my bet. More than enough to calls with T9s. P1 calls the raise.
Total pot now: $42, $38 after the rake
Flop
J Q K 
SB checks to me. I have the 2nd nut straight with outs to a flush and 2 outs to a straight flush. I bet $15 into the pot. P1 folds, P2 calls, P5 folds, P6 folds, P9 folds. I would have liked a few more to stay around perhaps, but this will do.
Total pot: $68
Turn
2
I now have a made flush and want to see where he stands. I bet $30. He mulls over it, then calls.
Total pot: $128
River
7
Ick. I now know that he had something big with the A to call that turn bet. I check to him. He moves all-in for $90. I say, "I know ya sucked out on me man." I turn my cards up and muck them. He nods to me, and turn up the A 10  . Turn out he flopped the nuts and got outs to the nut flush on the turn. Can't fault him for his play.
Now some may say that I ought to have bet more on the turn to protect my flush, but I knew that A K was a possible hand for him, so I wanted to see where he stood. He also mentioned, "it was a good bet on the turn, but I don't think I'm laying down that hand for any amount. I think I'd have called an all-in."
So was I in the right? Or should I have pushed on the turn and watched in horror as the 4th diamond fell?
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Posted Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:25 am GMT by TheSalche
2nd nuts is such a hard hand to play ... in this case you really didnt have the 'idiot' end of the straight, since you really cant put this guy on raising to $7 with A10 ... i think your move was right on the turn because a lot of people would have a hard time getting away from that hand and will call you no matter what you bet ... the best you could've hoped for was a river blank where you can get some more money out of him
tough spot bud, at least you got away from it with chips on the table
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:15 am GMT by Loonbat
| TheSalche wrote: | the best you could've hoped for was a river blank where you can get some more money out of him
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Naw - the best ya could have hoped for was an 8 (instead of a 7) of diamonds. Now watch the action as the A high flush pays off the str8 flush.
Not a bad beat but a stuck hand for you.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:45 pm GMT by Aves
First, I think you should mention the stack sizes and any description of the villian in the beginning cause its pretty important when deciding how to play the hand.
Preflop call is ok, although you are in horrible position. Because of your position, you have to put in about a pot sized bet to protect what is probably the best hand right now. From the way you worded this phrase, "I would have liked a few more to stay around perhaps, but this will do", it seems like you want people to draw out on you. And that is what will happen when you put in a 1/3 sized pot bet. Any J,Q, or K are scare cards, as well as an Ace as it might split the pot. Be glad to take the pot right there rather than losing you stack with this vulnerable hand.
When the diamond hits the flop, assuming he called a pot sized bet on the flop, and barring a super physical read that makes you certain he hit a higher flush, I will probably push all in. The pot should be around $115, and he should have around $100 left. So that is really the only move. You mention that you think he could have the AdKd, so thats why you didn't push. I think you are being over-paranoid. He raised in early position, so yes it is a possibility. But it is really the only possible hand with 2 diamonds in it that he would be raising with. So out of the many possible hands he would raise in EP and then call with on that flop (most likely JJ, QQ, or KK of any various suits), one combination is the only one that is beating you. In my opinion, that diamond is the perfect card for you.
As long as the river blanks, chances are you have the best hand with the 3rd nut flush. Although this time he had Ad Tx, most times the villian will probly have a set (and be very weary of top set with the Kd). By betting less than half the pot, you are giving him good odds to hit his full house and probably stack you.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:57 pm GMT by howzit
| Aves wrote: | First, I think you should mention the stack sizes and any description of the villian in the beginning cause its pretty important when deciding how to play the hand.
Preflop call is ok, although you are in horrible position. Because of your position, you have to put in about a pot sized bet to protect what is probably the best hand right now. From the way you worded this phrase, "I would have liked a few more to stay around perhaps, but this will do", it seems like you want people to draw out on you. And that is what will happen when you put in a 1/3 sized pot bet. Any J,Q, or K are scare cards, as well as an Ace as it might split the pot. Be glad to take the pot right there rather than losing you stack with this vulnerable hand.
When the diamond hits the flop, assuming he called a pot sized bet on the flop, and barring a super physical read that makes you certain he hit a higher flush, I will probably push all in. The pot should be around $115, and he should have around $100 left. So that is really the only move. You mention that you think he could have the AdKd, so thats why you didn't push. I think you are being over-paranoid. He raised in early position, so yes it is a possibility. But it is really the only possible hand with 2 diamonds in it that he would be raising with. So out of the many possible hands he would raise in EP and then call with on that flop (most likely JJ, QQ, or KK of any various suits), one combination is the only one that is beating you. In my opinion, that diamond is the perfect card for you.
As long as the river blanks, chances are you have the best hand with the 3rd nut flush. Although this time he had Ad Tx, most times the villian will probly have a set (and be very weary of top set with the Kd). By betting less than half the pot, you are giving him good odds to hit his full house and probably stack you. |
On the surface it looks vulnerable, but once he doesn't get raised on the flop i would think my hand is good as is. he should've bet more to figure things out.
Great point on pot size. You're flop bet put u into a corner becaue pushing the turn is letting all losing hands fold vs. you can't bet an amount that could let you fold if he came over the top.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:44 pm GMT by 1988 TR
I think you made a good play - Lost the least amount you could have.
I would have put him all in on the turn (So many hands that you have beat that would probably call). I would have then got rivered.
Posted Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:46 pm GMT by gol4pro
I like a flop check raise a whole, whole lot here. Don't know why, just do.
Actually, I know why. Someone else caught a big piece of that board. Most likely the preflop raiser, but if someone didn't catch at least 2 pair, I'd be amazed.
Therefore, someone is bound to bet. Then, when the action gets back to you, you can pump it up, and shove the turn NQA.
As is, I guess was ok. You kept the losses to a minimum, although I really don't like the flop weak lead at all.
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