Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:28 pm GMT by nixon
A couple weeks ago I was playing in a WPT qualifier at Foxwoods, $60 buy in, 10 plyaers and you need to finish top 2 to get to the $220 buy in.
Blinds are $25/$50 still early, everybody folds preflop, I'm the SB, I call with a 6 3 off suit. BB checks, flop comes 9 6 3, don't remember the suits, but nothing close to a flush draw. I decide to slow play and check, he checks. Turn comes K, still no flucj draw. He bets $600, I come over the top and put him all in. He has about $3000 in chips, I have $3200. I figure he has a K, but I have a strong feeling he does not have 2 pair. He calls me with a K 5 off suit, so now he has K 9 6 5 3 no flush draw against my 2 pair. He draws a 5 on the river and beats me.
Everybody I talked to said they would have figured me for 2 pair and would have folded that hand. What do you think?
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Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:53 pm GMT by zinn0
I think he called you with top pair/weak kicker and got lucky. Not being a smarty pants, just callin 'em like I see 'em. 
In all actuality, I would have folded to your all-in move...I wouldn't have been able to fold fast enough!
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:04 pm GMT by nixon
No, I agree, he got lucky. That's what has been eating me up. First I thought I made the wrong move, but hindsight tells me I made the right move as far as strategy goes. I just can't believe he called me with K K 9 6 5.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:07 pm GMT by zinn0
These are the types of guys I love to play against in cash games, and loathe during tourneys.
Posted Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:16 pm GMT by nixon
Good point.
Posted Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:48 pm GMT by gol4pro
Flop check is bad.
Turn check is worse.
Poker happens.
I want to make something very clear here-- on the flop, there are 3 cards in the deck that totally, 100% decimate your hand. And many more than scare you.
On the turn, there are 6 that do such a thing.
That's why I hate the checks.
I guess you got him in as a 4:1 dog though, so it can't be that bad. Sorry for sounding harsh, but bottom 2 pair is not the type of thing you slowplay.
Posted Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:30 pm GMT by 1988 TR
You need to bet the flop there - Bottom 2 pair is a hand that needs to be protected - Especially a hand like 36.
This weekend I raised the BB to 20 from 10 with 36os. He called - Flop came J36. We got all in on the flop. He had J6. Doh! Cost me $1k, but I would make the same play next time also.
Posted Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:19 pm GMT by nixon
| gol4pro wrote: | | Sorry for sounding harsh, but bottom 2 pair is not the type of thing you slowplay. |
You're not being harsh at all, that's why I am looking for other people's opinions.
What I really wanted people to do is out themselves in his shoes, not mine. If I put myself in his shoes and I have his hand, KK965 after the turn and I was just check-raised all-in, I have to seriously consider folding. Would you put your tourney on the line and call with his hand?
Posted Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:44 pm GMT by tame_deuces
To answer your original question, and only comment his call: I personally would not have called. If I freeride with K5 from the BB into a pot, I see no reason betting 6x the pot into an unraised pot on the turn if I spike my K either.
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