Perhaps not the best hand I've ever played... |
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:06 am GMT by screwthepooch
ALL comments are welcome...
Just a note...
I very rarely raise with something like 6,9 suited. This was the only play I had made like that at this table...don't know what prompted it, but just decided to mix it up.
FullTiltPoker Game #183789634: Table Lamont (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:22:01 ET - 2005/08/13
Seat 1: upaymybills ($245.45)
Seat 2: gmoney1105 ($200)
Seat 3: billiardsbuff ($191)
Seat 4: ontiltallday ($361.75)
Seat 5: JMoney712 ($190.80)
Seat 6: Stingray6T4 ($223.65)
JMoney712 posts the small blind of $1
Stingray6T4 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to upaymybills  
upaymybills raises to $4
billiardsbuff calls $4
ontiltallday folds
JMoney712 folds
Stingray6T4 calls $2
*** FLOP ***   
Stingray6T4 checks
upaymybills bets $13
billiardsbuff folds
Stingray6T4 calls $13
*** TURN *** 
Stingray6T4 checks
upaymybills bets $39
Stingray6T4 raises to $206.65, and is all in
upaymybills calls $167.65
Stingray6T4 shows  
upaymybills shows
*** RIVER *** 
Stingray6T4 shows two pair, Nines and Fours
upaymybills shows a straight, Nine high
upaymybills wins the pot ($450.30) with a straight, Nine high
Stingray6T4 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $452.30 | Rake $2
Board:
Seat 1: upaymybills showed and won ($450.30) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 2: gmoney1105 is sitting out
Seat 3: billiardsbuff folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ontiltallday (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: JMoney712 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Stingray6T4 (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
I don't necessarily believe in bad karma...but his terrible call on the flop did seem to carry with it, bad consequences...as happens to me on occasion as well.
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:15 am GMT by mangothebear
I have no problems with this hand.
You with the number of outs you had, you were a favorite here on the flop and at worst, a coin flip on the turn.
Of course, you couldn't complain if you didn't hit one of your outs here but then, neither could he of your draw out.
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:29 am GMT by screwthepooch
The funny thing is that the opponent's only comment before he got up and left was:
"unreal".
That seems to be a favorite. I'm guessing because I hit the str8 instead of the flush, he probably didn't realize I had the flush draw. I'm guessing he thought I made that call with open-ended only and was thinking how lucky I got.
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:47 am GMT by Loonbat
Flop, fine ... turn call after the all-in raise ... hmm ...
I'm trying to decide if this was wise or not ... at this point, I would be putting him on the str8, the set or 2 pr. Depending on your read, the 9 may not have been an out in your mind, and the str8 might have been dominated. You were drawing dead against the JdTd (which probably would have played/bet the same way).
So, my question is what were you counting as outs and what did you put him on? On the turn if you even put him on TPTK, it was a bad call from a percentages point of view.
But screw it ... I would have made the call as well, and knowing my karma lately, would not have improved. Thinking I had only the str8/flush outs (calling him for a set), you're looking at about a 30% chance to win going into the river.
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:28 pm GMT by howzit
check the turn. You don't want to face a big bet w/such a beautiful draw and a shitty made hand.
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:47 pm GMT by screwthepooch
| howzit wrote: | | check the turn. You don't want to face a big bet w/such a beautiful draw and a shitty made hand. |
Good point, that would have been a much better move. Might as well try and see my draw for free. Maybe I don't make as much, but at least if I don't hit, I certainly would not have called an all-in and lost as much as I ended up risking.
Thanks for the advice.
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:07 pm GMT by ShoelessJoe
Decent play but the thing that is truly important here is your name. It is quite good, I am quite fond of it. 'youpaymybills'... very nice
Posted Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
6-Handed NL games require you to vary up your play a lot, especially against decent players, so raising with the occasional "junk" hand like 96s isn't the worst decision you can make. What I don't like, however, is the raise out of position and the fact that it's a min raise. Min-raising doesn't usually give opponents a good opportunity to drop, and I'd be just as happy to steal the blinds with this hand. However, if the table has a history of min-raising with very strong hands, then you may be pulling a sort of "double bluff", which is ok IMO.
Flop is a dream for you, with a straight draw and flush draw, with one possibly live overcard. 15 outs at least gives you 54.1% to complete. Jam the pot. He shouldn't have called with bottom pair, since it's possible to put you on at least top-pair based on your actions. Good play here.
Turn gives you top pair with your draw, which would have been great if he hadn't had an even worse hand than you started with! I think he's the one who made the tactical error and got lucky on the turn. Howzit makes a good case for checking the turn, but I prefer a defensive continuation bet here, somewhere around $20-$25 here to give him a chance to drop, as well as get more money in for your draw, which still has a 32.6% chance of completion (39.1% if you count the 3 sixes). His all-in amounts to feel and reading. There's no way I'd put him on 94... I'd be more inclined to think he has a set, but I know nothing of his history. If you read him for nothing, it's a good call. He was only about 61% to win from the turn, so you have decent shots on the river to take him down. Of course, you could be in worse shape if he's decided to re-raise with a higher flush draw (unlikely but possible from his betting pattern), but if that were the case, you'd be ahead with a pair of 9's, so you'd probably want to make the call.
The call on the turn is highly debatable IMO since I'd be worried he slow-played the set, but you do have a monster draw. It's all about feel from there, and it's not like you were a huge underdog. I'd file this one under "marginal situations." It's not an easy hand to play, and I think a case could be made for either calling or folding--but you got lucky to catch the straight on the river, so I guess I can't argue with success. 
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:21 am GMT by TheSalche
agreed ... my real only problem here is the PF min-raise ... i dunno how common they are at higher stakes games, but im pretty sure every poker player thinks something fishy is going on here, of course that may have been your intention
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