You guys might HATE my play - won a MONSTER pot |
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Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:49 am GMT by mangothebear
6 handed NL - .50/1 ($100 buy in)
I have a stack of $130 or so. The big stack at my table has over $300.
I find 4  5 two away from the button. By accident (I'm multi-tabling), I click on the raise button so I end up raising to $2. The big stack in the cutoff raises to $5. Everyone calls. I am the last to call. When things are looking to develop into a big pot like this, I'll sometimes call with marginal hands that can improve.
Flop comes 9  J T
Flopped a baby flush draw. The SB immediately goes all in for $25. A shorter stack next to him calls with $18. I have to decide whether my flush draw will be good if it hits. If it is, I am definitely getting the odds to draw to it (there's $73 in the pot already, without a call or raise by the preflop raiser). I call off the $25. The preflop raiser also calls as does another player (only one person folded).
Turn comes Q
I'm first to act, so I bet another $25 (2 players AI and 2 players behind me to act). I'm worried about a higher flush draw, but the pot is so huge and I can't fold now that I've hit my draw. Preflop raiser pushes me all in for another $75. Other player folds and I call all in.
River comes 9 
I'm worried someone has rivered a boat but not much I can do about it now.
I win a $350 pot with my baby flush.
The preflop raiser had K K 
The first all in had QT
All comments welcome (let the ripping begin).
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Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:11 am GMT by Skribbles
Looks good.
I don't like the min raise pre-flop, but you said it was an accident.
You could have been in trouble with your flush but it worked out well.
Congrats.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:33 am GMT by screwthepooch
Wow, bet you had 2 players pretty steamed with their very nice hands getting beat by the lowly 4,5 suited! Nice pot!
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:42 am GMT by Aves
push the turn.
you called on the flop to hit your flush, are you gonna fold on the turn after you've hit it fearing a higher flush? seems contradictory.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:50 am GMT by Muck
| Aves wrote: | push the turn.
you called on the flop to hit your flush, are you gonna fold on the turn after you've hit it fearing a higher flush? seems contradictory. |
Yep. I'm just wonder why pot odds were considered on the flop but not the turn. Unless a re-raise was expected.
If he has a nice high spade (which he did) your small bet is offering him good odds to chase with little to no chance of a fold.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:06 am GMT by mangothebear
You're probably right.
I probably should have pushed on the turn. Too many things out there that could draw out on me and lose me the huge pot, even if my flush was good on the turn.
However, because the pot was so big, what I really wanted was the people drawing dead to call my bet after me or to reraise me. And then i could push on the river if no club came.
If I push, the only people to call my bet would be someone with a bigger flush. I put the preflop raiser on AK (making him the nut straight) so I was hoping he would call or push with his straight. If I had pushed all in there ($100 bet), he probably would have folded instead.
Another thing that made me feel better is when the club came on the turn, someone wrote: "damn, I should have played", meaning he probably would have had a flush too. Of course this is bad etiquiette but it let me know the chances of someone else having a flush or hitting a fourth club on the river was smaller.
Yeah, the KK was screaming at me about playing my 45 suited. But I was just like: "If you get that angry at having KK cracked in a family pot, you haven't played much".
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:12 am GMT by suitedaces84
I agree with pushing the turn. If you're beat you'll never get away from it, so make sure you get paid in full when you're ahead. There are a ton of worse hands that will call an all in here and zero better hands that won't end up taking your whole stack. There are also a lot of rivers you're gonna hate.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:48 am GMT by screwthepooch
| mangothebear wrote: |
Yeah, the KK was screaming at me about playing my 45 suited. But I was just like: "If you get that angry at having KK cracked in a family pot, you haven't played much". |
Pocket Kings should not be screaming at you as he was already beat on the flop by others and should have known that. I read the small blind going all-in on the flop as 2 pair (if not better). With others calling the SB $25 flop all-in bet before him, he should have laid down. (although I can understand it's not easy to do.) This is the thing I find funny about big pocket pairs. On the one hand, people want callers....but only if they don't hit anything. That's why a pocket pair needs to be raised big pre-flop and tread carefully once the flop hits...it is after all "JUST" one pair.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:20 am GMT by Aves
look at it this way, if you don't push the turn, lots of bad things can happen.
If you only bet $25 (about 1/5 the pot), you're giving great odds for somewhat with 2 pair or a set to hit a full house, and someone with a lone high club to hit a higher flush. As suitedaces said, there are a lot of scary river cards. Any 9, T, J, Q, or club might lose you the hand. End result: Someone outdraws you for cheap in a big pot that you had the lead in. Not good.
Also, you said, "If I push, the only people to call my bet would be someone with a bigger flush. I put the preflop raiser on AK (making him the nut straight) so I was hoping he would call or push with his straight. If I had pushed all in there ($100 bet), he probably would have folded instead."
I think it's more the opposite. If someone calls your small turn bet and a 4th club comes on the river, you're gonna have a hard time extracting any more money out of someone with a straight. You should get it from them(someone else might have a lone king) on the turn where they can think they has a reasonable chance of having the best hand.
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:25 am GMT by mangothebear
OK, you've convinced me.
I should have pushed on the turn.
I think KK would have called anyway.
Next time...
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