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Posted Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:59 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
I was just discussing this with a friend, and I think it makes for a very interesting strategy piece. We were playing a WCOOP satellite, and we were in the money field--15 players left, we were the 2nd shortest stack. Places 2-27 get paid exactly the same amount. Chip leader has approx 100k chips, and we have slightly under 10k. At this point, it becomes correct to gamble with a LOT of cards, even even if we're a big underdog. When all that matters is winning and our stack is this short, being a 2-to-1 underdog is a welcome situation, because we have to overcome a chip gap that is over 10-to-1.
Here is the exact situation though. We are dealt QTs, and the guy on our right pushes all-in. Now, I would much prefer to be the aggressor in this hand (clearly QTs is a pushing hand in this situation). My friend was very reluctant to call, but the blinds at this point were 400/800 with a 50 chip ante. QTs is far too good a hand not to call the all-in at this stage. The guy turned over AK, but this isn't as bad a situation as one might think. We were only about a 2-to-1 underdog here, and considering our chip position, that isn't too bad.
I'd like to hear other thoughts on situations like these, when you're in the same pay scale as anyone but first, and you're facing an enormous chip deficit. QTs is easily a pushing hand, but having lost the all-in, first-in vigorish and our chance to steal the blinds, it becomes less favorable, and with other pushable hands, I might consider folding. My argument though is that in this particular situation, QTs is far too good a hand not to try and double up with here.
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Posted Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:43 am GMT by Loonbat
While I like personally the hand, it's not a particularly good hand. Honestly, since you have about 12.5 BBs, I'd rather see YOU push on a better hand ... any ace (if you're the one pushing) is a better hand.
Remember - it takes much stronger holdings to call an all-in push than it does to be the one executing. If you had only 5000 chips, I'd call.
Posted Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:13 am GMT by Skribbles
What position were you in when he pushed? Had you just gone thru the blinds or were they quickly aproaching?
Having 12.5 BB I think you could have waited about 2 more orbits before you had to push. Within that time you could have got something better than QTs and you may have had the chance to push, instead of calling.
Posted Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:18 am GMT by UrAteUp
I think I would have waited for something a little better to try to push with. 400/800 blinds and you have about 10k then you have no reason to jump on any two cards. Your good to hold out for a little bit. Too often in tournaments it seems people get a little edgy when they are the short stack and try to push the first decent hand they get instede of waiting for a big hand.
Posted Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:17 pm GMT by JiveTurkey
Logic was good, call was crap.
With stacks still that relatively deep (12.5 bb and he had you covered) considering your situation, do you think you're ever ahead here? Furthermore, the range of hands you're likely to get moved in on with have QT in REAL bad shape a lot of the time....(KT, KQ, AT, AQ, QJ, are all very reasonable, along with the usual suspect of any Ax, and any pp) Hell, I'd rather see you calling with 89s than QT, since you're more likely to have 2 live cards, if you're gonna take a gamble.
Posted Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:12 pm GMT by ttbtkbtaib
No one will probably agree with me but I like a call here. 
With an M of 5 maybe 6(and even less if the blinds are increasing soon or the blinds are headed your way in a couple hands) you definetely need to make a stand sometime soon.
Q10s is not a terrible hand but overall I think you will be around 2-1 on average. Sure He could have AQ, KQ, or even QJ but he could also have 99, 88, or 77 in which case you are even money(or close).
Being one of the shorter stacks I say double up or go home. Especially since the payout is EXACTLY the same whether you bust now or in an hour in 2nd place. The 10-1 chip deficit just adds more incentive.
So, go for it. Double up and your in better, but still not great shape, bust and you can enjoy a few cold ones and watch a repeat of the 2002 WSOP knowing you made the same amount of money you would have if you were still playing. :D
Posted Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:46 am GMT by ViperX883
I'm interested to see how the call turned out...
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