Posted Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:08 pm GMT by Skribbles
I won all on these hands but that isn't the point. Did I play these the best possible way in order to maximize my profit? Could I have got anymore bets?
5/10 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Sun Aug 28 05:37:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 34594 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tallaferro ( $195.85)
Seat 2: Mikhas ( $434)
Seat 3: pokernoob420 ( $355)
Seat 4: oniononon ( $169.50)
Seat 5: HERO ( $151.50)
Seat 6: SnakeJP ( $203)
Seat 7: scottnvarun ( $297)
Seat 8: ondariver ( $131)
Seat 9: wed1076 ( $287.50)
Seat 10: LunarTweak ( $158.50)
pokernoob420 posts small blind (2)
oniononon is sitting out.
HERO posts big blind (5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO  
SnakeJP folds.
scottnvarun raises (10) to 10
ondariver folds.
wed1076 folds.
LunarTweak folds.
tallaferro calls (10)
Mikhas folds.
pokernoob420 folds.
HERO calls (5)
** Dealing Flop ** :   
HERO checks.
scottnvarun bets (5)
tallaferro calls (5)
HERO calls (5)
** Dealing Turn ** : 
HERO checks.
scottnvarun bets (10)
tallaferro calls (10)
HERO raises (20) to 20
scottnvarun folds.
tallaferro calls (10)
** Dealing River ** : 
HERO bets (10)
tallaferro folds.
5/10 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Sun Aug 28 05:41:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 34594 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tallaferro ( $199.35)
Seat 2: Mikhas ( $434)
Seat 3: pokernoob420 ( $353)
Seat 4: krigner ( $245)
Seat 5: HERO ( $208.50)
Seat 6: SnakeJP ( $210.50)
Seat 7: scottnvarun ( $242)
Seat 8: ondariver ( $116)
Seat 9: wed1076 ( $287.50)
Seat 10: LunarTweak ( $158.50)
ondariver posts small blind (2)
wed1076 posts big blind (5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO  
LunarTweak folds.
tallaferro calls (5)
Mikhas folds.
pokernoob420 folds.
krigner folds.
HERO raises (10) to 10
SnakeJP folds.
scottnvarun raises (15) to 15
ondariver folds.
wed1076 folds.
tallaferro folds.
HERO calls (5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  
HERO checks.
scottnvarun bets (5)
HERO calls (5)
** Dealing Turn ** : 
HERO checks.
scottnvarun bets (10)
HERO raises (20) to 20
scottnvarun folds.
10/20 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Sun Aug 28 16:49:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 41387 (9 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: dirtmagertt ( $536)
Seat 2: HERO ( $789)
Seat 3: BMW325 ( $133)
Seat 4: sinjedlakec ( $118)
Seat 5: Flirth ( $1112)
Seat 6: TheCaseAce ( $383.96)
Seat 7: stephenlever ( $298.50)
Seat 8: ShadowWise ( $244)
Seat 9: Dognacious ( $312)
dirtmagertt posts small blind (5)
HERO posts big blind (10)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO  
dirtmagertt: u the man
dirtmagertt: i don't compare
BMW325 folds.
sinjedlakec folds.
Flirth folds.
TheCaseAce raises (20) to 20
stephenlever folds.
ShadowWise folds.
Dognacious calls (20)
dirtmagertt calls (15)
HERO calls (10)
** Dealing Flop ** :  
dirtmagertt bets (10)
HERO calls (10)
TheCaseAce calls (10)
Dognacious calls (10)
** Dealing Turn ** : 
dirtmagertt bets (20)
HERO calls (20)
TheCaseAce folds.
Dognacious raises (40) to 40
dirtmagertt raises (40) to 60
HERO raises (60) to 80
Dognacious folds.
dirtmagertt calls (20)
** Dealing River ** :
dirtmagertt checks.
HERO bets (20)
dirtmagertt calls (20)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $357 | Rake: $3
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Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:02 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Hand 1: Nah, you played it pretty much perfectly. I like the check-raise on the turn, because if the 2nd player would have raised, you might have put him on the flush, in which case you may save yourself money.
Hand 2: I'd cap the flop. With KK, there isn't much point to disguising your hand. I think he would bet that flop if you check anyway. However, becausr the flop came the way it did, you might have earned an extra bet with the check-raise on the turn. I'd say capping the pot is preferable with KK, but you played this one well as well.
Hand 3: Against a raise and 3 calls, I don't like this hand nearly as much. However, since you're getting like 7 to 1 on your bet, I can't argue too strongly against calling here either. Unfortunately, if you hit the K, you might be outkicked, but you caught a very good flop. Post flop, I think you played it as well as you could have, especially the call/re-raise on 4th street to get the extra bets from the other players.
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:52 am GMT by Skribbles
| xDiamond_CutteRx wrote: |
Hand 2: I'd cap the flop. With KK, there isn't much point to disguising your hand. I think he would bet that flop if you check anyway. However, becausr the flop came the way it did, you might have earned an extra bet with the check-raise on the turn. I'd say capping the pot is preferable with KK, but you played this one well as well.
Hand 3: Against a raise and 3 calls, I don't like this hand nearly as much. However, since you're getting like 7 to 1 on your bet, I can't argue too strongly against calling here either. Unfortunately, if you hit the K, you might be outkicked, but you caught a very good flop. Post flop, I think you played it as well as you could have, especially the call/re-raise on 4th street to get the extra bets from the other players. |
I was already heads up with the guy in hand 2 so I didn't want to cap which just screams AA / KK / QQ. The only part I think I went wrong with was check/raising the turn. Should I have lead out hoping for him to raise me? If I do that I could either gets 3 bet on the turn or get a check/raise on the river.
Hand 3 I called since I was big blind and like you said getting 7:1. The flop was great. Top pair with a K high flush draw. I was most likely behind with my top pair but when my ace flush hit the turn I had the nuts with a board that is going to give lots of action. The play I didn't know about here was my cap on the turn. They were both betting / raising each other so should I have just called the 3 bets to keep them both around for the river? I just got trigger happy and hit raise right away thinking that they would both call.
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:00 am GMT by Sean_in_NJ
| Skribbles wrote: | | I was already heads up with the guy in hand 2 so I didn't want to cap which just screams AA / KK / QQ. The only part I think I went wrong with was check/raising the turn. Should I have lead out hoping for him to raise me? If I do that I could either gets 3 bet on the turn or get a check/raise on the river. |
I think you're looking at QQ (or a good ol' naked steal), and he was waiting for resistance to throw his hand away. I think the smooth call on the flop gets you the extra BB on the turn, but I can't imagine you're getting anything else out of him.
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:17 pm GMT by mugged_off
All text book play from what I can see. Nice work.
But, I'm a n00b so take that with a pinch of salt  .
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:36 pm GMT by Dave B
1) with 2 others in the pot and you 1st to act, I dont mind the raise on the turn, but with the bettor in 2nd position and the caller in 3rd position, they are very likely to bet the river too. I am a little worried about a flush, but I am not going to push them off the pot anyway. So, I might wait to check raise until the river. If I was heads up, I for sure check raise the turn. However, in both cases, if I am 3 bet, I get real concerned. Even after the boat on the river, I still check raise, but I dont know if I would cap.
2) I like it. If you are heads up, no need to make the other guy NOT believe that he is ahead, which he almost certainly is not. Smooth call 3 bets preflop, check raise turn
3) more bets, who knows, maybe less. But with top pair or a decent drawing hand and a weak kicker, I like raising the flop. On the flop you have a nice hand, no kicker, good draw, but not an overpowering hand. By raising the flop, I find out immediately if I am beat, then I can call $10 more and see if I hit or work my pot odds on the turn. If I take down the pot right here, or get a free card, I am pretty happy.
IF, you had done that, now you can really cash in with your perfect turn card. Now you can check it and make them think you are 1) weak or 2) scared of the flush. Anyone with a decent hand will represent and bet out here, and even baby flushes may raise. You can smooth call or 2-3 bet the turn.
River blank, 4th heart would be better, depending on action you can bet out or check raise here (assuming you didnt check raise river.
Now, the way you played it, no way I cap the turn, as tempting as it is. You are risking someone hitting a boat, but they are going to call anyway w/ 2 pair or a set. Let the raisers raise eachother, make the think that you are the one needing to make a hand, just calling down. By capping, you just scream at the "what are you doing, I have the nuts!". That killed any and all river action, when you still have the nuts and they are scared to death, instead of thinking their 2 pair, set or bottom pair is good.
However, from your other post, you are doing better at limit than I. So what in the heck do I know.
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:56 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Dave B wrote: |
However, from your other post, you are doing better at limit than I. So what in the heck do I know. |
You've been playing at higher stakes FL much much longer than I have so I really value your input.
On your reply to the 3rd hand, you said check/raise the flop. With a board of KQJ I would expect to be 3 bet if I check/raised. I don't know if I like putting in the extra bets because if my hand doesn't improve then I have to lay it down on the river, no way I'm calling a river bet with a weak K on that board.
Capping the turn was foolish. I missed 4 BB because of it I believe. As it played out I won 6 BB on the turn and 1 on the river. Had I just called I would have taken 6 BB on the turn and probably could have got 4 more on the river with a check/raise.
This is the part of my game that I need work on. When to show strength and when not to. Playing weak hands I'm fine with, its when I have the nuts and I need to maximize my profit that I sometimes slip up.
Posted Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:28 pm GMT by Dave B
Not check raise the flop, just raise. It looks like the SB came out firing. If I am 3 bet, then I call here and maybe fold if 2 bets come my way on the turn. One bet, I am probably calling. If I miss the river, then I can let the hand go for sure w/ just a pair of Ks 8 kicker.
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