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Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:17 am GMT by suitedaces84
Preflop: I'm in the SB with A Q . 2 folds, 1 call, Villian calls, 1 fold, 1 call, 1 fold, I raise, call, LIMP RAISE!, call, I cap, everyone calls.
Flop is 3  2 2: . I check, 2 checks, villian bets, 1 call, I raise, 2 folds, villian 3-bets, 1 fold, I call.
Comments on the hand so far?
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Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:26 am GMT by Skribbles
I don't like that cap. If I read it right there are 5 people in the hand. You are not going to push anyone out pre-flop for an extra bet and to win with AQ off you are going to have to hit 2 pair or a straight. The limp raise shows strength which I would probably put on AA KK AK, all of which have you dominated.
Would you be comfortable if the flop came A72? When the limp / raiser raises you can you continue?
On the flop you took your shot at it and you got 3 bet. Time to get out I think. You are most likely against high pockets or AK at a minimum and at most have 3 outs.
I say cut the losses now.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:45 am GMT by suitedaces84
I disagree about a l/r meaning strength. The vast majority of 2/4 donks would never think to attempt such a move. It's my experience that it's usually someone with suited connectors, mid PP or some random maginal hand saying "it's fun to play big pots". That's my experience anyway. Until someone proves to me that they l/r premium hands it's my default to cap.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:22 am GMT by TheSalche
IMO with 5 ppl in a capped pot, even at 2/4 FL, where im guessing theres still plenty of rich fish ... somebody's got a PP which has you beat, and most likely one or two of your Aces and/or queens is out so i'm guessing you're drawing at 4 outs or so
dunno how the odds work out, but looks like its fold time or check/call the river and pray
but im pretty weak in FL, so my 2 cents is really more like .05 cents :D
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:32 am GMT by Dave B
I dont 3 bet w/ AQ, much less cap. If I someone limp raises, I assume a big pocket pair, and fold the flop when I miss. Even if an Ace (or Q)comes on the flop, I just call down and assume I am behind. Trip Qs or 2 pair I may get more aggressive.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:49 am GMT by suitedaces84
I should've mentioned that this guy boardered on maniac.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:59 am GMT by Loonbat
Comments? Sounds like the "maniac" had you on tilt. I don't like the cap preflop and I don't like the raise on the flop.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:34 am GMT by Skribbles
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | I disagree about a l/r meaning strength. The vast majority of 2/4 donks would never think to attempt such a move. It's my experience that it's usually someone with suited connectors, mid PP or some random maginal hand saying "it's fun to play big pots". That's my experience anyway. Until someone proves to me that they l/r premium hands it's my default to cap. |
Well L/R is "supposed" to indicate strength. As for the vast majority of donks not attempting such a move, even donks can read books. He may have just put down his copy of SS and decided he was pro.
You said that he could even have a mid-pair which has you down to 6 outs. Now as TheSalche posted, a couple of those outs are probably dead.
Villian doesn't look like he is going to be folding this hand after capped pre-flop and 3 bets on the flop. If you can't put him on at least a pair of 9's then he is a complete moron. I just don't see how you can continue this hand when you are most likely way behind with few outs.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:39 am GMT by 1988 TR
Donks are especially the ones that would limp in with AA.
Most experienced players would raise. A weak player wouldn't want to scare people away from his AA and just call.
I'm guessing you won this hand though.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:47 pm GMT by age_of_sages
Now that you've said he's a maniac, I don't think he's all that strong. I've run into a few maniacs like this on party 2/4 recently that will limp raise to try to steal. I'm also very happy that everyone else has folded. If others had stayed in, I'd be worried. But with just the maniac I'd prolly check call the rest if i don't hit big.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:32 pm GMT by suitedaces84
I thought the preflop cap was pretty easy too. Five handed I don't need to win here more than 20% of the time to cap. If villian has KK/QQ I'm only making a very small mistake by capping. If villian has a dominated hand, a pocket pair lower than Queens or a random hand, as I suspect I'm making a pretty big mistake by not capping. The only way I do myself much damage here is if he's got AA/AK, and I don't think he'll have that very often.
Keep in mind it was capped preflop five handed. The pot is $46 or so when I called his three bet. Unless villian is incredibly passive there is a 1 in 23 chance I win this hand, agreed?. So I have no idea how I can fold on the flop. If the pot wasn't so big or there were more players in it, I'd be able to find a fold, but not with the numbers I'm getting.
I want to get HU vs villian. I know everyone will hang around if I call. So my c/r cost me $4, in a pot that will end up being $60+. Does clearing out 3 hands increase my chances at winning the pot by 8%? Also if anyone other than villian is around after my check,-raise I can get scared.
Turn, you guessed it, A :D
I bet, villian raises, I call.
Posted Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:41 pm GMT by Skribbles
Well you either hit a trouble card or one of your few outs. May get lucky and hit runner-runner for top two but other than that it is check/call the river.
Even maniacs can get dealt AK. He could very well have pockets and like most donks not able to fold them even when they get sucked out.
Posted Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:26 pm GMT by suitedaces84
The river was T . I donked it again, he called, I won. Any guesses as to what he had?
Posted Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:09 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | The river was T . I donked it again, he called, I won. Any guesses as to what he had? |
44? A5?
Posted Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:11 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Nice work.
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