Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:04 pm GMT by ErinJeff
Ignore the fact that I'm playing T3s here. I was in the small blind, had a large stack and was running hot.
I really could only see the Villain move in with a set, or possibly 9T. Would you have folded? What do you think he had? I'll post the outcome after a couple of replies.
PokerStars Game #2521249269: Tournament #12270291, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/09/07 - 17:18:44 (ET)
Table '12270291 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: ErinJeff (3450 in chips)
Seat 5: mhusky (945 in chips)
Seat 6: brotherz (3120 in chips)
Seat 7: rchandra (3745 in chips)
Seat 8: bbcav (2240 in chips)
ErinJeff: posts small blind 25
mhusky: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff  Th
brotherz: calls 50
rchandra: calls 50
bbcav: folds
ErinJeff: calls 25
mhusky: checks
*** FLOP ***   
ErinJeff: bets 150
mhusky: raises 745 to 895 and is all-in
brotherz: folds
rchandra: calls 895
ErinJeff: raises 745 to 1640
rchandra: raises 2055 to 3695 and is all-in
ErinJeff: folds
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Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:06 pm GMT by howzit
nice fold.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:09 pm GMT by Skribbles
I'd call. You got half your chips in the pot and would be short-stacked with the fold.
Assuming they are typical morons, 1 guy has a flush draw and the other has AT.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:18 pm GMT by ErinJeff
Skribbles- I appreciate the response but I'd still have 30+BB. I wasn't that concerned about being knocked down to 1/2 my chips. I was challenging the only person at the table that could take me out. The villain wasn't a bad player, he had been making some good calls. I considered a flush draw semi-bluff, but didn't think he'd risk his stack to make one.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:28 pm GMT by Skribbles
Point taken.
Couple things:
Would the villian limp with pocket T's or 9's? Prolly not when it is 5 handed. The would rule out a high set. 3's? Maybe, but the odds of it are very remote since you have one in your hand. If you are always laying down 2 pair when you think someone has a set, you are losing money. Had this action happened before you had anything commited to the pot, I would have easily folded.
So that leaves T9, Tx or a flush draw. Would he play T9? Or is he strictly and ABC player who players premo hands?
May add more... gotta run.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:41 pm GMT by ErinJeff
My read was 9T (most likely) or maybe 99. I'd seen him limp with low-mid pp a couple of times but you're right it was short-handed with such low blinds. I'm definitely NOT in the habit of laying down 2 pair, but I felt like *I* would only make the re-reraise with top 2 or a set.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:52 pm GMT by bluef0x
Youre very loose-weak. Fix those leaks son
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:16 pm GMT by crack
I really could only see the Villain move in with a set, or possibly 9T.
Then of course I would laydown the hand. 
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:33 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| crack wrote: | I really could only see the Villain move in with a set, or possibly 9T.
Then of course I would laydown the hand. |
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I could see the villain moving in with A10, an overpair, JQ straight/flush draw.
Posted Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:26 pm GMT by crack
I am pointing out this guys read. If he really thinks the guy is going to only make that move with the hands he mentioned then I would lay it down.
I am not going to question what I think villian would go all in with because I wasn't there so don't know how the guy plays and we weren't given any information on the player.
So you could well be right.
Posted Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:00 am GMT by Nut Flush
He had an overpair. He limped pre-flop hoping someone would raise in late position and then he'd come over the top. Once the flop came down with 2 clubs, he got super aggressive and went all in thinking you were on a draw. He also wanted to be heads up with the other guy that was all in.
In short, villian had AA, possiby with a 
Posted Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:05 am GMT by ErinJeff
Thanks for the replies. Bluefox, being able to make tough laydowns is, to me, what separates a good player from an average one. I definitely don't consider myself loose-weak. Much more tight aggressive. In a cash game I'd call this automatically, but in tourney style where survival is the only way to make money, I think you have to be willing to let hands go. Even if you might be the favorite. I had plenty of chips to get them in when I felt better about my hand. If you're criticizing the preflop, small blind call with T3, so be it. I think this hand falls under "don't go broke in an unraised pot." I ended up losing to both players when my pair of 3s was counterfeited on the board, BUT I was ahead when I folded. It turned out to be a lucky call, not a good one. Villain ended up costing himself the rest of my stack by moving in when he did. I most likely would have pot-committed myself on the turn anyway (no flush, no pair, no st8).
*** TURN *** 
*** RIVER *** 
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rchandra: shows   (two pair, Tens and Nines)
rchandra collected 1490 from side pot
mhusky: shows   (three of a kind, Nines)
mhusky collected 2885 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4375 Main pot 2885. Side pot 1490. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 2: ErinJeff (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: mhusky (big blind) showed and won (2885) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: brotherz folded on the Flop
Seat 7: rchandra showed and won (1490) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 8: bbcav (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
After this hand I got into a similar situation against villain when I flopped top 2 pair AQ, he reraised me allin with A no kicker and I crippled him. It was satisfying.
Posted Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:56 am GMT by snoogins47
| ErinJeff wrote: | | Thanks for the replies. Bluefox, being able to make tough laydowns is, to me, what separates a good player from an average one. I definitely don't consider myself loose-weak. Much more tight aggressive. In a cash game I'd call this automatically, but in tourney style where survival is the only way to make money, I think you have to be willing to let hands go. Even if you might be the favorite. |
If you would call automatically in a cash game and fold this in a tournament, you're probably a)too loose in cash games, or b)too tight in tournaments.
Posted Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:11 am GMT by Loonbat
Solid fold. There is no reason to risk your full stack (at this point in this tournament) with top and bottom pair. Early on I would.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:33 am GMT by BncStylee
right on... please tell me that mhusky didn't win the tourny... that call is insane w/ 69o
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