Where to Play Low Limit HE in Vegas |
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Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:03 am GMT by lwestatbus
Heading to Vegas in December and will have four days there without the wife. Wife and daughter will then join me there for four more days (both wife and daughter play poker).
I am looking for recommendations on where to play low limit holdem ring games. Are there $1/$2 tables (I did say LOW limit)? Or even lower? (My daughter will be just a few days past her 21st birthday and is eager to try a live casino but she doesn't have the BR to play much even at the $1/$2 level. But she's not bad for her age and experience. Ah, it just warms a father's heart to see his little girl heading off to her first casino poker game. )
Ideal recommendations will be in the $1/$2 range fixed limit with lots and lots of fishies. I've played low stakes blackjack in Vegas with people with absolutely no idea what they're doing and am looking for similar players at the poker tables. I found lower stakes ($2 and $3) BJ tables at the less known casinos on Fremont street or on side streets off the Strip. A casino where the dealers move the action along would be good.
Don't need a place to stay as my parents had the good sense to retire out there.
Gotta run. Thanks to all who can contribute.
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Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:16 am GMT by Dave B
You can search around, but I think 2/4 is min for most casinos.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:57 am GMT by golddog
Exaclibur runs a 1-to-3 spread game, but I would strongly recommend against it, unless you like the "let's throw our money in the middle and see who has the best hand at the end" type of game.
I think 2/4's about what you're going to find.
Have a great time.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:06 pm GMT by Dave B
BTW- $100 at 2/4 limit can last a LOT longer than $100 at $5 or $10 min blackjack.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:28 pm GMT by General Sal
Hey, man, no problem on where to find that... what casino are you staying at?
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:29 pm GMT by Peerless
Luxor has 2/4 and so does Monte Carlo, unfortunatly I can't think of any others off the top of the head, honestly because I never pay attention to who has those types of games.
Excalibur does have a $1-3 spread as was previously mentioned.
Posted Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:03 pm GMT by General Sal
| Peerless wrote: | Luxor has 2/4 and so does Monte Carlo, unfortunatly I can't think of any others off the top of the head, honestly because I never pay attention to who has those types of games.
Excalibur does have a $1-3 spread as was previously mentioned. |
Mirage 3/6
Bellagio 4/8
Gold Coast 2/4
Orleans 2/4
Palms 2/4
Mandalay Bay 4/8
Rio 4/8
Aladdin ?
Circus Circus 2/4
Sahara 2/4
Bally's
Wynn 4/8
Hilton
I could be wrong on some of these as I haven't looked for action on those tables in a long time. I have to warn you though... the 2/4 tables in general are a lot LOOSER than the 2/4 tables online. We're talking getting six callers on a raise rather than 3 to 4 online. Makes it hard to protect pocket aces. 4/8 is the minimum for making some kind of cash and even then this game can get kind of loose.
If you like tournaments, consider the $40 tournament at the Rio (noon)...one rebuy of $40, the $40 tournament at Sahara (one rebuy of 20)... those tournaments were the best value for your money.
Posted Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:16 pm GMT by Geno
I have a feeling Harrah's has 1/2 action, if not it definitely has 2/4, hell we had to struggle to get enough players to start a 4/8 table when we were there 
Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:06 am GMT by General Sal
| lwestatbus wrote: | Heading to Vegas in December and will have four days there without the wife. Wife and daughter will then join me there for four more days (both wife and daughter play poker).
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I'm just curious now... why'd did you italicize "without the wife"?
Posted Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:40 am GMT by JohnnyCache
Probably because of the part in parens.
I can't properly express how much fun I had the last time I played cards with a couple.
Posted Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:54 am GMT by Loonbat
I generally do well playing 3/6 with a scant bankroll ($100 ... $150 if I have an extremely cold run). If the daughter plays a tight, solid game, this should give hours of entertainment.
Posted Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:12 am GMT by lwestatbus
Many, many thanks to all who responded. Great list from General Sal.
Regarding General Sal's question about "without the wife" being in italics: Wife drives me crazy in several respects with respect to poker. I love her a LOT but not around a poker table unless it is purely a family game. How does she distress me, let me count the ways...
(Some of these factors only come into play if she is in the room online or at the same table live and I'll NEVER play at the same table with her live.)
1. Departure time has nothing to do with winning streaks. I can be on a roll so hot the chips are smoking but if she has the hankering to leave then that's it, or face long term consequences.
2. Her idea of poker theory consists of several firmly held truisms. a) if a card came up in the last hand it will come up in the current hand (doesn't like to hear that the steady state for this line of reasoning is that all hands will be the same); b) Always bet a Happy Jack since it has a much higher chance of winning than any other hand; Pot odds are too hard to calculate so therefore they aren't relevant.
3. She believes that I will play much better if she gives me advice on each and every hand.
4. She believes that there is no skill in poker, just luck.
5. Worst of all, she is the luckiest person on the face of the planet.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:43 am GMT by Cyberhwk
Played 1/2 at Golden Nugget. I THINK... 
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:08 am GMT by JohnnyCache
| lwestatbus wrote: |
4. She believes that there is no skill in poker, just luck.
5. Worst of all, she is the luckiest person on the face of the planet. |
Grr...I got a buddy just like that.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:34 am GMT by mindgame
I strongly suggest that nobody go to Las Vegas, play low limit hold'em, and expect to flourish in that environment.
Anything under 8/16 out there is a strictly a tourist game. I was stuck in a hotel recently with nothing but 2/4, 3/6, and 5/10 in their poker room. Across town there was a huge tourney rolling to a weekend climax-- Satelites and smaller-purse (25,000-50,000) tourneys daily, players from all over the US. I couldn't get across town until the end of the week, but played 3-4 hours each day at the 3/6 and 5/10. It was a completely miserable experience. Endless idiotic calls and raises--avg. net loss each night of $50-$75. How about 4-betting a pot with aces into a guy on 77 and getting 5 callers with you? I felt like I was swimming in the bottom of an aquarium that hadn't been cleaned in a couple years.
When I finally got to the show across town I was playing 10/20 (and on occasion higher) with some really solid players--guys who'd finishished in the upper ranks of some impressive tourneys, a few who'd played in the WSOP, actually the toughest players I'd ever faced. Okay, I didn't clean up, but I could play with them and I managed to win a couple hundred over 3 days, I got comped meals and payed $25/night for a room.
If you go to Vegas for low limit do NOT expect to win, especially if you play good, solid poker--that will work well against 1 or 2 fish, but it's hopeless in a school of them. Do it for entertainment and fun. It will make you absolutely insane if you try to figure out what they are doing.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:10 am GMT by Dave B
Come on Mindgame, you just need to adjust to the game. At Canterbury, the 8/16 game plays looser than 3/6 in Vegas.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:21 am GMT by mindgame
 Oh wait...
It's "Dynamic Poker," I forgot. Based on, if I remember correctly, that brilliant if dated poker dictum that has been the ruin of many a tall stack:
"Any two can win."
Really, you must bring that game back to Chicago. Solid players are so boring to beat and the spice you add would be worthwhile even without the money you throw at us in your dynamic moments of fiscal abandon .
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:30 am GMT by Dave B
Ill be back. I am looking for a new job, so work travel plans are on hold for a little bit.
Seriously, in those very loose games, you cant get overly excited about an overpair, suited connectors or one gappers are huge, and 2 pair is pretty muck the worst hand that you will win with.
We had a great hand last night-it was a straddle by a relatively short stack, someone raised, a blind 4 bet and the straddle capped, 6 way action.
Flop 10 4 2, betting was capped on the flop, 2 players now all in.
Turn Q, 3 bets w/ 3 calling.
River 5, 2 bet 2 ways
Showdown:
1st all in, folded and left -not shown
BB AA
MP 10 4 for 2 pair won side pot-$125 or so???
another mucked
UTG all in straddle 62 for str8, won $250
IMO, AA was a fool for continuing to fire away. He had to know he was behind and it likely cost him 4-5 big bets.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:04 am GMT by mindgame
Honestly don't know how I'd have played that. How can you be afraid of a flop like that with AA? When it gets capped, okay, you figure you MUST be up against at least a set AND 2pr...but there's the whole thing with the short stacks going all in and they could have ANYTHING. NO...you don't fire with those aces...but I'm going to see the river unless I'm 3-bet again--the worst of it is that you can't figure you're good without that ace. Board pairs and odds are you've got one or even two full houses.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:42 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| mindgame wrote: | | I couldn't get across town until the end of the week, but played 3-4 hours each day at the 3/6 and 5/10. It was a completely miserable experience. Endless idiotic calls and raises--avg. net loss each night of $50-$75. How about 4-betting a pot with aces into a guy on 77 and getting 5 callers with you? I felt like I was swimming in the bottom of an aquarium that hadn't been cleaned in a couple years. |
This sounds like the best game ever.
Mindgame, allow me to summarize what I think you're saying and correct me if I'm wrong about what you're saying: low limit hold'em can't be beat because it's full of very bad players.
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:29 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
Also, don't forget jerkcity creator Rand's guide to vegas
Posted Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:56 am GMT by lwestatbus
Many thanks to all of the posters, including those that took the discussion off in some odd directions. Suited Aces said it all for me--I'll be looking for low limit tables full of drunken frat boys from LA.
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