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Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:40 am GMT by screwthepooch
This is a MTT with about 100 players or so.
FullTiltPoker Game #212078969: $20 + $2 Tournament (1291023), Table 3 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:45:20 ET - 2005/09/09
Seat 1: DeathDataEntry (8,894)
Seat 3: JFreeman1 (3,145)
Seat 4: pats-soxs-fan (3,405)
Seat 5: crowburger (2,430), is sitting out
Seat 6: PLAYER A (3,525)
Seat 7: PLAYER B (5,120)
Seat 8: clyce01 (4,955)
Seat 9: Freeezer (2,570)
JFreeman1 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PLAYER A XY
Dealt to PLAYER B  
pats-soxs-fan folds
crowburger folds
PLAYER A raises to 500
PLAYER B calls 500
clyce01 folds
Freeezer folds
DeathDataEntry folds
JFreeman1 folds
*** FLOP ***   
PLAYER A bets 1,080
What do you do if you're player B?
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Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:43 am GMT by Dave B
Fold a weak AJ preflop when he raises to 5x the big blind.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:45 am GMT by screwthepooch
| Dave B wrote: | | Fold a weak AJ preflop when he raises to 5x the big blind. |
So, Dave has a time machine?? LOL. OK, but what if you didn't fold pre-flop? What now?
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:51 am GMT by Geno
I would personally lay it down right there assuming I am facing AK (or KQ if he is a retard) and move along. The call is 1080 into a pot of 2200 so I don't like it and if I go all-in on the steal, I'm pretty sure I'll get called and made to look stupid.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:30 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
ifi called that pf, i'd definetly fold on flop
its too early in tournament to risk it like that
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:32 pm GMT by screwthepooch
FullTiltPoker Game #212078969: $20 + $2 Tournament (1291023), Table 3 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:45:20 ET - 2005/09/09
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PLAYER A XY
Dealt to PLAYER B
*** FLOP ***
PLAYER A bets 1,080
Ok, well PLAYER B decided to call the 1,080 bet:
Here's the next action:
PLAYER B calls 1,080
*** TURN *** 
PLAYER A bets 1,945, and is all in
Now what?
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:38 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
well i still say fold it already if u fold now u still have nice stack compared to blinds
although i have to admit in this spot a week or two ago i wouldjust say f*ck it and called it, while comfoprting myself that i still have some chips left if i loose
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:50 pm GMT by crack
First of all I would not be calling preflop with the AJ, but I think we are past this point in the debate now.
Why call on the flop if they are not going to call on the turn? How is the turn going to change anything unless they hit the two jacks or three aces?
I would not be calling on the flop hoping to hit my questionable 5 outer. Seeing as the guy is going to have 1.9k left and the pot on the turn will be 3k. What does calling the flop actually achieve? Do you want him to slow down? I can't see him going away. I can't even see a raise on the flop sending this guy away after he has invested near 50% of his stack already in the hand.
The problem all stems from Player B calling the raise with AJ. I would lean to folding this hand or possibly reraising if I think this guys range of hands for a 5x bb raise is incredibly large.
If we had a bit more info on how Player A plays then perhaps I could give my postflop actions, but with what you have provided then I would say just fold the flop.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:58 pm GMT by 1988 TR
Player A think he has a hand.
Do you believe him?
He could be bluffing with the flush draw.
Probably got to fold this one, but if you are bored, you could call.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:00 pm GMT by screwthepooch
| 1988 TR wrote: |
Probably got to fold this one, but if you are bored, you could call. |
If you're bored, you could call? Don't start writing that poker book yet TR...that's the worst advice I've ever heard..
Unless you're saying...if you're bored and want to bust out and go play another tourney?
LOL
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:08 pm GMT by 1988 TR
| screwthepooch wrote: | | 1988 TR wrote: |
Probably got to fold this one, but if you are bored, you could call. |
If you're bored, you could call? Don't start writing that poker book yet TR...that's the worst advice I've ever heard..
Unless you're saying...if you're bored and want to bust out and go play another tourney?
LOL |
lol, sorry man.
I probably fold here, but there is definitely that chance you are ahead & your opponnent got in too deep & felt like his only play left was to push.
But....
1) The AJ is weak to begin with
2) Flopped 2nd pair
3) Guy never stopped betting even though the opponnent kept calling
All signs point to AJ being beat. Doesn't mean it is though..... But I think the decision needs to be made on the flop, not the turn.
If the player calls the 1k on the flop, the decision is made to play the hand. Why fold on the turn now? You already dumped 1500.
So at this point in the situation described, I would call.
But I would have made the decision on the flop to raise back 1k or fold.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:11 pm GMT by Dave B
I get your point about a time machine, but a lot of problems in poker coming from getting into situations that could have been avoided.
It is OK to lay down a winner, it is OK to lay down a big hand. It is also OK to raise w/ junk or to make an occasional loose call weak hands.
Personally, I would rather call a raise that size w/ 45 65 76 than AJ. That way, I avoid the uncertainty and guesswork.
OK, so I call and flop 2nd pair, he bets $1000. I raise or fold. Since I have him covered and it is a decent size pot, and I have a little wiggle room and position, I likely raise.
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:33 pm GMT by screwthepooch
FullTiltPoker Game #212078969: $20 + $2 Tournament (1291023), Table 3 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:45:20 ET - 2005/09/09
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PLAYER A XY
Dealt to PLAYER B
*** FLOP ***
PLAYER A bets 1,080
Ok, well PLAYER B decided to call the 1,080 bet:
Here's the next action:
PLAYER B calls 1,080
*** TURN ***
PLAYER A bets 1,945, and is all in
PLAYER B called and won with 2nd pair. PLAYER A was me with AQ.
After discussing this hand over lunch with TR, I have re-considered my play a bit. Pre-flop I had AQ and raised to 500 and get the one caller. I should have bet 1/2 the pot as a continuation bet and when he called just checked it down. Having bet 1000 on the flop and him not folding or raising should have alerted me to the fact that at this point he's pretty committed and will call down anything. I'm guessing we could have checked it down on the turn and river and saved my tournament life at this point if I hadn't pushed. In the future if I push a pot bet in a similar situation (continuation) and I don't get my desired result (fold or raise), then I will know better. And yes, a raise would be fine with me too as I would know that I was beat and fold...instead I committed myself and did not place.
I do think he should have folded on the flop, but damn it, no one ever does quite what I think they should do!
Posted Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:21 pm GMT by TheSalche
the thing here is determining what your opponent called the raise with, there are a few possibilities
a) a hand that paired, this would include AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, maybe K10 and J10
b) hand that didn't pair the board, AQ, A10, maybe Q10
c) flush draw hand ... could be any of the above hands or two diamond junk
almost based on the probability that since you have AQ, he likely doesn't have that, lookin at how many hands beat you, this is a check/fold to the river after he calls the continuation bet
Posted Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:19 pm GMT by Ciso_B
AJ is most likely beat on the flop, calling is loose enough. If i called pre flop,id be tempted to re riase all in, i would either re raise or pass obviously, personally id be worried at the fact that he bet so much on the flop, committing himself. Highly likely you are beat, course there is a chance he is overplaying AK....id fold.
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