A professional would have bet me on the river!!! |
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Posted Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:21 pm GMT by suitedaces84
$100NL, I'm $110ish scumbag has $100. I've got A  7 on the button.
Preflop: two limpers, scumbag limps from the CO, I call, SB folds, BB checks.
Flop ($5) Q 4 T  . Check, bets $4, scumbag calls, I make it $10, blinds, EP and bettor fold scumbag calls.
Turn 8 ($27): scumbag checks, I check
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Posted Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:04 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I like it.
Did he hang himself?
*edit*
I just saw the thread name.
Did he dodge the bullet?
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:41 am GMT by supafrey
Yes, i like. Pretty obvious move that often shows up, especially in limit.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:46 am GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
Great play. Sorry if you got screwed on the exchange, but I really like the play. Nice and deceptive.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:31 am GMT by ScanX
I would make continuous betting.
Checking isnt as deceptive as you might think...many players raise on semi-bluff and then check when they hit their draw.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:42 am GMT by Ciso_B
I dont hate the play, if i was first to act I may attempt a check to entice a raise but when u were last to act, betting is better obviously cos you dont wanna see that river pair....Free card hit him I take it?
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:33 am GMT by Moon_Child
i like the check... give him a chance to catch up a bit... then bet out on the river..
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:11 am GMT by zeroswarm
I like the check.
What happened next?
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:42 pm GMT by TheSalche
IMO, i don't like it too much ... unless this guy is a total idiot i dont think he can catch up enough to justify a river bet, and he could catch up too much (i.e. fill up a full house) ... i dunno if a pro would bet into you on the river
raise on the flop is good as long as you're pretty sure you won't be re-reraised
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:14 pm GMT by bloodshotx
I will agree with ScanX and say that you should have bet the turn. Too many people check raise or hopes of it. Your object here is to bet to make him more pot commited. If he folds he folds.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:29 pm GMT by howzit
Sometimes i'll check the turn so i can overbet the river. But i need to be deepstacked and be playing fast. As is, bet pot on the river.
He'll fold a queen on the turn to any bet there. Raise more on the flop or call behind. Your raise is somewhat transparent.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:09 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| TheSalche wrote: | | IMO, i don't like it too much ... unless this guy is a total idiot i dont think he can catch up enough to justify a river bet, and he could catch up too much (i.e. fill up a full house) ... |
My goal was not to give him a chance to catch up, or even make him think he had the best hand. My goal was to make him think he could take the pot away from me on the river. Unless the board pairs on the river there's no way I can call a big bet without a flush. If you're my oppoent how often do you think I have a flush on the turn?
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:34 pm GMT by howzit
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | If you're my oppoent how often do you think I have a flush on the turn? |
more than 33% of the time.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:45 pm GMT by TheSalche
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | If you're my oppoent how often do you think I have a flush on the turn? |
I would've bet the turn for info, then folded to a raise there, or if you flat call I'd check/fold the river.
The way he played it, its hard to say how often you have the flush, but it's enough to scare me into checking the river.
Posted Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:05 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| howzit wrote: | | suitedaces84 wrote: | | If you're my oppoent how often do you think I have a flush on the turn? |
more than 33% of the time. |
After I check behind on the turn?
Posted Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:24 am GMT by howzit
if you bet more than half pot on the river, you won't get called.
I prefer playing "tricky" here and raising more on the flop. Then betting the turn. I like to do this w/air, the flush, two pair, and sets. Although this is NL100, you'll get used to making better hands folds fold when you don't have it, and you'll get paid off when people make second best hands. Remember, you're trying to win big pots here, not deceive this guy into making small river calls. If he has something like KQ w/a spade you can guarantee that he'll make a turn call. His range is still pretty open, pair w/a spade, baby flush, and a very badly played two pair.
You should bet if you're interested in getting money from this guy. Don't worry about him folding, remember how he played this hand this time so that you can play the hand the exact same way when you have nothing.
Posted Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:06 pm GMT by Jauron
I think it would have been more deceptive to put a bet in on the turn, nothing huge, but a decent sized bet most of the time.
Reraising with a draw is pretty standard, along with the check on the turn, if you put more money into the pot on the turn, something they can live with you can now price the river and give a lot of hands the confusion they need to call on the river.
Let me put it this way, if I'm the guy who bet out at first and got reraised, I'm probably not sure if I'm ahead or behind, then a scare card came on the turn, I check (but I probably would have checked anyway unless that card helped me) you check behind me, the river is going to have to be help to me to want to lead out again since I don't want to be reraised again with my suspect hand.
Besides if he has lead out for something small on the river, he just blew your strat to hell, if you reraise him a fair price he's likely to fold anyway.
Posted Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:39 pm GMT by Soup_dog
I used to check in this situation, but now days I would rather make a medium sized bet. If he folds, thats fine. At least he won't suck out on me.
Posted Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:14 am GMT by Aves
I think betting is much better than checking. Lots of good things happen - you get more money in the pot with the best hand. You don't let him draw for free in case he has 2pair/set. Also a spade on the river can kill your action.
Posted Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:00 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
| suitedaces84 wrote: | $100NL, I'm $110ish scumbag has $100. I've got A 7 on the button.
Preflop: two limpers, scumbag limps from the CO, I call, SB folds, BB checks.
Flop ($5) Q 4 T . Check, bets $4, scumbag calls, I make it $10, blinds, EP and bettor fold scumbag calls.
Turn 8 ($27): scumbag checks, I check
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So . . . did he have 9, 10?
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