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Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:52 pm GMT by TheSalche
,What do ya think of these few hands ...
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheSalche K  9 7  3
4 limpers to see flop (im in BB)
** Dealing Flop ** : 6 5 K 
EP bets (0.95)
TheSalche calls (0.95)
MP calls (0.95)
LP calls (0.95)
** Dealing Turn ** : 9 
EP bets (3)
TheSalche raises (6) to 6
2 folds
EP calls (3)
** Dealing River ** : J
EP checks.
TheSalche checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16 | Rake: $0.80
Board:     
Dealt to TheSalche 2 J K 3
5 limpers to see flop (hero is BB)
** Dealing Flop ** : 9 3 2
TheSalche bets (2.65)
1 fold
villain calls (2.65)
1 fold
villain2 calls (2.65)
** Dealing Turn ** : 6
TheSalche checks.
villain1 checks.
villain2 bets ( 8 )
TheSalche folds.
villain1 folds.
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Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:40 pm GMT by Nut Flush
I don't like either of them really. I hate getting hands in the BB and then feel obliged to play them when you catch a piece of the flop.
The first one, you've got top pair-no kicker, second best flush draw, and a double gut shot straight draw which probably won't be good if you make it anyway. You make 2 pair on the turn but could be behind to a straight, then make your flush on the river and only have to worry about the Ace high. Did you take that one down or was that a failed check raise on the river from the villain? I do like the check on the river though, nothing worse than firing off a pot size bet just to get hammered by someone slow playing the nuts.
The second one is just ugly. You've got bottom two pair with no good draws. I suspect your 2.65 was an attempt to take it down right there but I think I would have just check-folded that one.
Both of those hands I think I would have just checked and folded to any action. These were both limped pots and neither of those would have been playable except from the BB. Maybe I would have stuck around on the turn in the first one once you had top 2 pair, but not for alot of money.
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:41 pm GMT by Loonbat
I think a "few hands" would be 3, not 2 
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:42 pm GMT by Skribbles
| Loonbat wrote: | | I think a "few hands" would be 3, not 2 |
I think he is right.
2 would be a couple.
IE: Loonbat and the 12 year boy down the block from him are a "couple".
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:52 pm GMT by Loonbat
| Skribbles wrote: | | Loonbat wrote: | | I think a "few hands" would be 3, not 2 |
I think he is right.
2 would be a couple.
IE: Loonbat and the 12 year boy down the block from him are a "couple". |
He said he was 14, eh ...
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:04 pm GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | He said he was 14, eh ... |
He was bluffing...
and that's just gross
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:09 pm GMT by xDiamond_CutteRx
It's a basic rule in Omaha that you should draw to the nuts, and if you draw to the nuts only you will usually make money over time. This isn't to say that some King-high flushes aren't worth going for, but I generally regard non-nut flush draws as "defensive" rather than "offensive" (c/f Berman's section in Super System 2).
Hand 1, you have a number of draws, but only three 8's in the deck will give you the nuts. That being the case, I suggest you play the hand very cautiously. I really don't like the raise on the turn, since with all those people staying in, it's possible that someone was drawing with 87 and now has a straight (who may have called because he has no redraw and is waiting for the river).
Hand 2, I would almost never bet out that flop, since generally the only pairs worth betting hard in Omaha are the top 2. Even on a seemingly inoccuous flop like that, it's possible that someone has a set; although you may have the best hand on the flop, you have almost no draws, and you're unlikely to have the best hand on the river unless a 3 or a 2 falls (and then you risk making the underfull house and costing yourself a big pot). You definitely did the right thing by folding the turn.
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:02 pm GMT by tame_deuces
You have too many starting cards.
Rigged I tell ya!
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:52 pm GMT by 1988 TR
On the first hand, I'm not understanding the raise on the turn. Too many second best hand possibilities. Did you think the guy was just fishing for a low (I assume this was high/low)?
Posted Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:56 pm GMT by TheSalche
If you demand another hand here's one that I hated/loved
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheSalche   
TjLynch111 raises (0.85) to 0.85
2 folds
TheSalche raises (2.90) to 2.90
2 folds
bigcheesexD calls (2.80)
bigasswrap raises (12.20) to 12.45
TjLynch111 folds.
TheSalche raises (21) to 23.90
TheSalche is all-In.
bigcheesexD folds.
bigasswrap calls (11.45)
Creating Main Pot with $49 with TheSalche
** Dealing Flop ** :  
** Dealing Turn ** : 
** Dealing River ** : 
yeah ... first time ever dealt AAKK double suited
first hand: the call on the flop really was for the flush draw primarily and i wanted to see where it would take me ... i was planning to fold to any raise, and i felt my straight draws added enough to let me call assuming that i had a few other callers behind me
lookin back at it, turn raise was a little weak, probably should've called, and my river check was the best move possible
second hand: my thoughts here are that nobody has 92 or 93, im definetly ahead here on the flop, there are no flush draws out there, so the only real draws are low-wrap straights ... obviousily i tossed it as soon as i felt i was way behind ... the non-pot size bet also gave that away
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