Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:24 am GMT by tame_deuces
Ok, everyone who has ever played NL know this situation pretty well.
You hold 88/99 versus an EP raiser. In this situation i initially call the raise, looking for a set.
Flop comes and looks something like
3 7 2
So you have an overpair, but are obviously afraid of a higher overpair at the same time you have the club draw to worry about.
What are good lines to follow? How would they vary with deep/short stacks?
Let's assume four lines from villain who is an unknown.
1.) He checks
2.) He bets half the pot
3.) He bets the pot
4.) He overbets/pushes
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Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:12 am GMT by Nut Flush
Short answer, it depends
Ignoring important info like stack sizes, cash or tourney, pot size, player's image etc... I would most likely:
1) bet
2) raise
3) raise
4) raise
You got position on him which is important here. It could very well be a continuation bet on his part since he raised preflop. You just won't find out where you stand by just calling here. So your other options are fold or raise. Maybe it's just me, but no way do I lay down an over pair here. Sure he could have you beat with an overpair, but if it's a pretty weak one like TT or 99, he just might even fold here. And if he does have me beat then I'm just gonna go broke :D
Same strategy whether I'm short stack or big stack. Short stack I'm going all in to try and double up. Big stack I'm going all in to put the pressure on and try and bust him and if I lose I still got chips to play.
I may just lay it down if it's still in the early levels of a tourney and he overbets the pot. But again, it also depends on how this particular person has been playing.
Another option would have been to raise it reflop since you have position. Depending on the level of the tourney, a hand like AK-AT will most likely just call you whereas one of the big pairs like AA-QQ will gladly put you all in at which point you can fold your hand. A re-raise here will normally cause most sensible people still left to act to fold. With 99 or 88, I prefer to be heads up with position than be involved in a multi way pot.
Also if he/she called your re-raise preflop and the led out with a decent bet on the flop, you just might be beat here and can again fold.
Point is, with that hand you've got to raise at some point to get a feel for where you stand.
*Disclaimer*: I don't play much in they way of NL cash games, my perspective is strictly from a tourney point of view.
Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:37 am GMT by Skribbles
I'm also not much of a NL cash game player but....
1) Bet the pot and hope to take it down.
2) Raise and find out where you are at. He is prolly making a continuation bet with overcards.
3) Player dependant. If he is very aggresive or a maniac I'd either push or make a big raise, stack size dependant of course.
4) See number 3.
Posted Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:49 am GMT by Jauron
1.) He checks- Bet the pot if he check raises fold
2.) He bets half the pot - You have to raise, amount depends on what pertentage of your stack just went in to call the bet.
3.) He bets the pot - I'd be inclined to raise most of the time here as well, double his bet if he just calls and no scare cards come on the turn move them in.
4.) He overbets/pushes- Gotta fold it unless the player is wreckless
Course this is just a guildline always subject to the player.
Posted Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:45 pm GMT by zeroswarm
Stack size is all important in tourneys.
That said;
1. Bet big.
2. Raise big.
3. Reraise.
4. Fold unless u can afford it.. 
Posted Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:04 am GMT by TheSalche
deep stacks in TOURNEY i'm inclined to say bet if he checks to you, fold to a check-raise, if he bets small - 1/2 pot raise him a decent amount, if he bets about pot size, flat call and try to play like you are going for the flush, but be wary if the turn is another club and he makes a move
shorter stacks its tougher ... id say push no matter what unless your guy says otherwise
Posted Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:55 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Thanks for the pointers guys, low overpairs is defintively one of the things I have problems with in NL games.
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