Tournament, Jacks in the small blind |
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Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:49 pm GMT by Hurricane Ham
For whatever reason I waited about two weeks to post this hand, and I can't find the hand history, so I'll go from memory.
11 dollar rebuy/addon on Stars, about 20 minutes after the addon period is over, so play has settled a bit. In spite of having about 10000 in chips with the blinds I believe at 200 400, I'm well below the average in chips.
Two villains, one is fresh at my table so I'm not familiar, don't quite remember his stack, but it was decent sized, the other has been with me the entire time, call him villain2. This guy made huge overcalls like it was his job, even after the rebuy portion had ended. The one that sticks out in my mind was calling an all in for 2/3 of his stack with pocket threes against AK, got lucky, so he had a decent amount of chips. Liked to see flops and push hard with mediocre hands. Decent stack, maybe 25000.
Take this one street by street if I may. Villain makes it 3X BB or so to go from MP, villain2 calls, and I'm in the small blind with two jacks.
The way I see it now, I've got three options: push, reraise, or call. A push seems a little over the top here, as I've still got a lot of chips, and by freak chance I run into a big hand, that's bad news. It also isn't necessary to be racing at this point with AK with my stack. Reraise is alright, but it leaves me out of position with two people calling behind me, unless they happen to both dump it. Calling, on the other hand, may be a little bit weak, seeing as I would most likely check/fold to any ace or king out there, potentially a queen as well depending on the action. Thoughts?
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Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:02 pm GMT by 1988 TR
You say villain 1 had a decent stack - Did he have you covered?
With two players in, you have a very scary hand if any overcard hits.
It's tough because the player has already bet 1200 and got a caller. Any raise by you would need to be strong enough to chase one of them and get it heads up.
I think you could :
1) Push
2) Raise to 3500
3) Call & bet big if no overcard - But this isn't much different than being all in pre flop if someone is holding QQ-AA.
I think at the very least you could raise to 3000 and see what develops. If they both just call, I think you are winning & then see how the flop goes.
If you get an all in & a call, you could fold. If you get an all in and a fold, then it's a tough decision, but I would probably take my chances with the jacks, but it's a borderline call.
Posted Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:22 pm GMT by Skribbles
Depending on my mood I'd either push or just call and see a flop. If the flop is rags then I would check/push if I was sure someone would bet. If not 100% sure then I'd make a big bet to take it down.
Posted Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:45 am GMT by Jauron
I think I'd reraise to at least 3k, force them to have a hand to play with you. If they both call I'd probably push them in if the flop brought undercards and be forced to push or fold if an overcard hits. If you run into Q's,K's or A's you are probably gonna get reraised and you can drop it then. For the price he set it at a lot of hands can call including small pairs and weak aces. Jacks are already hard enough to play post flop without there being trash in with you.
I would also consider moving in if there was more in the pot.
No doubt your in a bad spot, if AA-QQ decides to take a flop with you and the board comes small your probably going to loose your chips I think raising here will allow you to start weeding out possible hands.
I got 10's in the SB today in a tourney and waaay to many limpers I had to make the same decision you did, decided to pop it good and everyone folded to me.
Posted Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:20 am GMT by Hurricane Ham
TR, both villains had me covered.
I ended up calling, since I loathe playing jacks out of position after a reraise, feels like more often than not I'm just throwing away chips.
Flop was 6 4 9 rainbow. Beautiful. Does anyone lead out here, or check and let them take a stab at it? Pretty confident I'd get a bet out of one of them if I did check, as continuation bets were the norm. Check/push seem like the most logical play to everyone?
If I lead out, get raised, then I need to make a real tough decision. If I check, villain bets, villain2 calls, then it's probably a clear push, yes? I check, villain bets, villain2 raises, then...?
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