Posted Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:47 am GMT by UrAteUp
Sunday the wife and I were heading back from MN and decided to stop in at our local casino. I promptly went to the poker room where there was a tournamanet underway. They said they would be opening a $1/$2 NL table shortly. I added my name to the list.
After I was called I set down and bought in for $100 in chips. I figured I had a good bankroll to be playing. Man the dudes at this table were something else. I was setting in seat 9 of a 10 table game. Seat 1 came in with a $10 bet. That had me thinking he was on a pp or Ax hand. I only had a 34o so naturally I folded. He wound up losing to a pair of A.
I saw people playing some outragous poker the whole time. I played a total of 10 hands in the 1 1/2 hours I set there and did not win a single hand. Talk about not being happy...lol. I was delt pp 3 times and never could get a set. I finally started throwing away small pp pre-flop I was so frustrated.
My final hand was Big Slick off suit. I was on the BB. First person in made it $8 to go. I was watching him all night and put him on 2 face cards unsuited. I made it $12 to go. I had 4 callers. Flop came 3  , 6  and A  . Lead guy checks and the board follows with checks all the way around to me. I am thinking if I play heavy here everyone will fold. If I play too light someone will probably draw out on me by hitting the A on the board and pairing the kicker. So I bet $10. Everyone called and I was feeling great. Next card was a but I don't remember what it was. It was checked to me. I thought for a minute and pushed all in with my remaining $20. One player called me. We rolled our cards and he had A and ? . Needless to say when the hit on the river I just got up grabbed my coat and left the poker room.
In all my time playing poker and Texas Holdem I had never seen people over value cards so bad in my life. I also had never had a time when I couldn't catch cards like this either.
I know my tournament game is strong and I thought I had a solid grasp on my ring game play, but something must be lacking. Is it common for people to over value their cards in the $1/$2 NL live play?
Most all my previous live game play has been at limit tables. There it seems my game has been on target and I have walked away winning. Most home games I have played in have been limit. Even the few NL home games I have played in never had people over valuing cards like this. I guess my big beef in this post and about this trip is the fact that I couldn't get a chance to take advantage of it.
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Posted Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:57 am GMT by Dave B
$10 bet is NOTHING toward a pot that size. He cant fold any Ace with that. Even if you move all in on the flop, you likely get called.
The problem is the min raise, either smooth call and see a flop or just move all in w/ your last $50 w/ $33-35 already in the pot. All you did was give the pot odds to chase.
Posted Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:52 pm GMT by UrAteUp
Dave
Thanks for the advice. I can see I was seriously not playing aggressive enough. I was just amazed that they would play such medicore hands with such high bets. I guess I was used to limit or online tournaments. Guess I know what to expect next time and to be ready for it.
Posted Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:13 pm GMT by waterman
| UrAteUp wrote: | | Lead guy checks and the board follows with checks all the way around to me. I am thinking if I play heavy here everyone will fold. If I play too light someone will probably draw out on me by hitting the A on the board and pairing the kicker. |
i think with the way you had the table read, you should have just bought the pot right there with an all-in considering your stack and the amount in the pot already. if you get called you're ahead so there's not much else you can do, and if everyone folds then you just took down a good pot. as dave said, a $10 bet into that pot was not going to get anyone with an A to drop. like they say "it's better to win a small pot than to lose a big one."
Posted Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:43 pm GMT by howzit
| UrAteUp wrote: | | I played a total of 10 hands in the 1 1/2 hours |
i haven't read past this but i think you're tight. hope you don't spend money on your family like you do at cards.
Posted Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:01 am GMT by DeadlyDaniel
10 hands in 1.5 hours isn't especially tight. Depending on the speed of the table, UrAteUp probably saw 45 hands at most (30/hr), probably slower (even to more like 20/hr and so 30 total) considering how loose the table apparently was. Playing 10 hands out of those 30-45 isn't unreasonable at all if he was getting unusually bad cards (if it's toward the lower end, it wouldn't be unreasonable with good cards.)
Posted Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:21 am GMT by UrAteUp
Bad cards was the main reason I didn't play many hands. The cards I kept seeing for the time I was playing were like 23o, 46o, way too many 72o and crap like this. I played only the hands I thought were solid and decent to play. I don't feel like I wasn't aggressive enough. Heck I even played A-rag a time or two when I got it. I hate A-rag and I know why now. It gets beat by a kicker 9 out of 10 times it seems.
lol...Howzit...that depends if it is the wife or kids I am spending money on. If it's the wife then I spend what I need to to make her happy. If it's the kids then I am even tighter with the money. Grandkids make me loosen a bit but not much...lol.
Posted Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:31 pm GMT by JohnnyCache
You know, a PP only sets up on the flop, like, 1/8.5 times or so.
Posted Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:09 pm GMT by BeerWench13
| Quote: | | Is it common for people to over value their cards in the $1/$2 NL live play? |
In my experience, yes. I had players raising to $25 preflop w/ KJo and hands even worse than that the last time I played in AC. I had to adjust my game accordingly, but they paid me well. I applaud your patience and think that you just ran into a cold run of cards. If it makes you feel any better, the second time I ever played in a casino, I played for 12 1/2 hours before the cards finally came. I only netted $79 but considering the horrible run of cards and the fact that I was down about $185 about a half hour before I got up, I think that was rather impressive. The following day made up for it when I netted nearly a grand.
Just remember, you want players to overvalue their hands when you're playing them. You get the most money out of them when they do.
As the others have said, I think I would've pushed on the flop. A bet that small is not going to scare anyone away unless they have no outs to speak of.
Posted Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:03 pm GMT by General Sal
I think the 1/2 no limit game is considerably different from the 2/5 no limit game. It's probably more akin to it's twin cousin the low limit cash games... no fold 'em hold 'em. Consider a raise to 3x the big blind is $3! That's less than a raise at 2/4 limit hold 'em!
You have a pot of $48 ($12 x 4 callers.) once you see the flop. The flop does look good for you, but you really didn't bet enough... with only a $10 bet, the straight callers are gonna call ( though I'd think anyone holding 2 5 or 4 7 is an complete idiot.) Pocket 6s are the one big thing to worry about. If four people call you in this spot, you seriously have to be a bit worried, although you did say they were pretty bad playing poorly. Hey they could have anything... A 6 was a distinct possibility. Either way, Dave's right in that you didn't bet enough... half the pot would have been good. I probably would have pushed on the turn card too.
BTW if you had played 10 hands in 1 hour and a half that might be too many. 10 out of 45 is like 25%. You might have seen too many hands.
Posted Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:52 pm GMT by Buffarino
| howzit wrote: | | UrAteUp wrote: | | I played a total of 10 hands in the 1 1/2 hours |
i haven't read past this but i think you're tight. hope you don't spend money on your family like you do at cards. |
Wow. That's uncalled for. Someone's poker playing strategy doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how they treat their families.
Posted Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:03 pm GMT by weirpougs
You shouldn't base your one bad ring session as you being poor at poker whatsoever.
Playing tight is the correct strategy on a loose table but i think you have to push hard when you hit the flops and get out when you hit nothing.
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