Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:21 pm GMT by AHBrownell
Today I played a hand that I was a bit annoyed by. Basically, I was first to act with QQ, with 5 people at a 6 person table .10/.20 NL table online. I bet $1. Guy next to me raises to $2, everyone folds to the BB who calls. I reraise to $4, both players call. Flop comes 2h 5s 9s. BB checks. I bet $3, leaving me with $1.50. Both players (smaller stacks than $4 left) call. Turn comes 8c. I go all in for $1.50. Both players again call. Turn comes Js. Player to my left shows TcTs. BB shows 3s5s. Winner is the BB with a flush J high.
What did I do wrong here?
Should I have bet more in my initial bet pre-flop?
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Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:05 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| AHBrownell wrote: | Today I played a hand that I was a bit annoyed by. Basically, I was first to act with QQ, with 5 people at a 6 person table .10/.20 NL table online. I bet $1. Guy next to me raises to $2, everyone folds to the BB who calls. I reraise to $4, both players call. Flop comes 2h 5s 9s. BB checks. I bet $3, leaving me with $1.50. Both players (smaller stacks than $4 left) call. Turn comes 8c. I go all in for $1.50. Both players again call. Turn comes Js. Player to my left shows TcTs. BB shows 3s5s. Winner is the BB with a flush J high.
What did I do wrong here?
Should I have bet more in my initial bet pre-flop? |
K...after your raise and the re-raise and the BB call I presume there was about 5 dollars in the pot, if you assume that you are ahead...which I hope you did since you reraised...this pot has swelled enough to worthy to take down, 25xBB is a big pot. Instead of just raising, re-raise all in and try to take it down there and then instead of re-raising the minimum, which only gives people excellent call odds.
Yes, you might stumble into AA and KK, but if you feared AA and KK you wouldn't re-raise in the first place, right?
It also seemed your raise left you with not enough chips left to bet atleast the pot with on the flop, basically if a preflop raise/re-raise with a hand will leave you unable to bet the pot on the flop, evaluate your hand, your opponent and the size of the pot and your own stack...with this information you decide if you want too push all-in, fold or call.
Also, as the hand played out you should have pushed your last remaining chips in there on the flop, basically if your opponents call 3 dollars on the flop, they will call 1.5 on the turn, so bet 4.5 on the flop instead.
You should not bet more in your initial preflop raise, 5x would be considered a steep raise by most.
And you are correct that the BB's play was both very odd and horrendously bad play, but there is nothing you can do about that. In fact it is usually a good thing.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:34 am GMT by AHBrownell
Thanks man. Both points noted.
Am I right to assume the following:
If I think I have the best hand its better to push all-in before the flop; rather than reraising an amount that will make me unable to bet at least the pot after the flop.
If I am not sure if I have the best hand, calling, seeing this flop - the best play is to go all-in rather then betting two smaller bets; that my opponents are more likely to call.
Thanks.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:54 am GMT by tame_deuces
| AHBrownell wrote: |
If I am not sure if I have the best hand, calling, seeing this flop - the best play is to go all-in rather then betting two smaller bets; that my opponents are more likely to call.
Thanks. |
Yes...you need a monster read to not believe you have the best hand with QQ though. 
And the bet thing is correct...it's not that you don't want them to call...but if they call, it should be a big mistake as you can possibly make it for them at this point.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:41 am GMT by Jauron
Short handed, 6 handed, most of the time you have to assume Queens are good preflop. If you have a good read or a player who is normally tight suddenly wakes up, then you can consider it.
After the reraise I push them in with that many callers. I know I'm gonna get one caller, and if the table calls me as well, well at least I did what I could.
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