Is conventional poker wisdom sometimes wrong? |
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Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:43 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Recently I've played a good deal of head's up live. The style is NL games, no leaving the table unless bust or doubled up, deep stacks and no blind increase. Even though the play is deep, the action is generally on the laggy side.
This subject is one of the things that fascinate me the most with poker actually.
Now, it seems to me that alot of conventional poker wisdom gets thrown out the window in these games.
*edit*
I removed my points, they were obvious enough as it was so bluntly put. 
What would _you_ do/rely on when your only goal is to destack your opponent in this type of game?
Thoughts, objections, input, ideas,pointers to books or articles?
Btw, this type of play is _heavily_ recommended. Read up on Caro's Tells and find someone to play against...its like playing the poker of the movies/books. Reading your opponent and playing the man is what matters...very cliche.
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Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:04 pm GMT by bluef0x
Ummm... the convential poker wisdom your speaking of is for 10-handed ring games. HU NL is a different beast.... but nice try.
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:13 pm GMT by tame_deuces
*edit*
I was grumpy. Reply removed.
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:18 pm GMT by supafrey
lol well he's sort of right, actually, and you're smart enough to know this.
what's "conventional" for that situation is exactly what you just mentioned. The surprise only comes in, in fact, when in comparison to proper 10 handed play. Raising with junk HU IS "convention"
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Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:27 pm GMT by tame_deuces
Yes, the point is very good, but I was tired and grumpy and in a flaming mood and I have a horrible dislike for being proved wrong.
Still, people must surely have HU tips for live play? What are your people's favourite tricks to have up your sleeve when trying to destack your opponent?
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:40 pm GMT by suitedaces84
| tame_deuces wrote: | *edit*
I was grumpy. Reply removed. |
Damn, I can't believe I missed the grumpy reply.
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:54 pm GMT by zinn0
| suitedaces84 wrote: | | Damn, I can't believe I missed the grumpy reply. |
Me too! He is generally such a gentle person, I would have loved to hear the grumpy reply.
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:28 pm GMT by supafrey
I saw it ! =)
Edit: Oh yeah, there was a question.
The classic bet when you don't have it, check when you do works pretty well for a good while. I've been arguing with snoo about what's the best HU strat (i'm bad at it, he claims he's good).
In FL:
I'm starting to think a more passive style may be better. Let the other player bet into you, and wait until the bigger streets to really stick it to them. Obviously the bluff will be necessary .. say... 1/4 of the hands?
I usually play over aggressive and occasionally have to pay for it. I think my biggest weakness is nearly NEVER folding the small blind. This is not the best way to play. I find that the HU matches are usually dynamic and the "flow" is easily the most important part - much more than your cards. Have you ever just FELT that your opponent would raise a certain hand preflop, regardless of what he has? Make him pay for it. Trap and pwn.
Posted Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:06 pm GMT by Dave B
I have been getting a ton of mileage from setting up my opponents preflop.
This is classic, blinds are still low, every time I limp, he raises, often all in. Everytime this happens, I immediately fold. So, I get a big hand and do the exact same thing, he does what he is suppose to, and he is dominated.
When you can start dicating your opponents play, regardless of your cards, you own them.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:20 am GMT by fiezk
| Dave B wrote: | I have been getting a ton of mileage from setting up my opponents preflop.
This is classic, blinds are still low, every time I limp, he raises, often all in. Everytime this happens, I immediately fold. So, I get a big hand and do the exact same thing, he does what he is suppose to, and he is dominated.
When you can start dicating your opponents play, regardless of your cards, you own them. |
A good point. Perhaps the most important thing in heads up is to change gear and let your opponent think he can read you.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:14 am GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | A good point. Perhaps the most important thing in heads up is to change gear and let your opponent think he can read you. |
The opposite can also be beneficial. I want him to read me, I'm banking on him making the "right" read at the wrong time :D
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:16 pm GMT by tame_deuces
I tried the weak limp, fold to a raise vs a 'shortstack' (about 30% of my stack) yesterday. Needless to say he got superaggressive after a short while and when I finally got a good hand, down he went. Nice tip.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:35 pm GMT by supafrey
Thank you, I'm here all week.
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