Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:07 am GMT by zeroswarm
After a few weeks of bad beats, bad luck and sheer bad play I've decided I need a break from hold em. Instead I thought I'd try out omaha high. It looks interesting but I have no experience of playing it.
Has anyone played it much and if so could u give me any advice on the best strategy? Any hints on the best way to play it would be appreciated.
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Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:29 am GMT by Soup_dog
I learned everything I need to know about Omaha by watching "Wild Kingdom" back in the 70's.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:29 am GMT by zeroswarm
Never heard of wild kingdom.....
One thing I really want to know about is starting hands. I have read that AA KK double suited is the best hand but u only get it once in a blue moon... 
What kind of starting hands should I be looking for? Any1 got a list or something??
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:34 am GMT by weirdofreek
try this
http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t13586/need-omaha-help
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:35 am GMT by Soup_dog
Well... I just started to play Omaha but have been having some decent luck. I will try to limp if I have a medium pair or 3 to a str8. If I have 4 to a straight or some high pairs or high suited I will usually raise. But that might not be what the experts recommend.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:53 am GMT by twofotisx
4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... not sure but since you have to use two cards from your hand the fact that 2 cards for your main draw (assuming you've got rainbow cards) might be bad for you. I love playing omaha for fun but I don't think my skill in omaha is anywhere near my Holdem skills. Also I find that it takes me a few hands to change "gears" going from Holdem to Omaha, so initially it takes me a few hands to settle in if i've just gotten finished playing holdem.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:42 pm GMT by Soup_dog
The reason I say 4 to a str8 is that it's easy to get cards around them to fill in a str8. If you flop 3 cards that are in the range of your hole cards, usually you can cobble together a str8.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:19 pm GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | 4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... |
Bad Omaha advice right there, 4 connectors can be a very profitable hand in Omaha. Especially if they are big cards as well, hands like TJQK, AQJT, 9TJQ. And add another bonus if they're double suited.
Low connectors also play pretty well, stuff like 2345 and 5678 since it's a pretty well disguised hand. These play much better from late position though whereas the big connectors mentioned above can easily open the pot with a raise from EP.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:25 pm GMT by zeroswarm
| Nut Flush wrote: | | Quote: | | 4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... |
Bad Omaha advice right there, 4 connectors can be a very profitable hand in Omaha. Especially if they are big cards as well, hands like TJQK, AQJT, 9TJQ. And add another bonus if they're double suited.
Low connectors also play pretty well, stuff like 2345 and 5678 since it's a pretty well disguised hand. These play much better from late position though whereas the big connectors mentioned above can easily open the pot with a raise from EP. |
I've just read something giving similar advice so I guess Nut flush knows his stuff: to an extent at least.. 
I'm playing as I type and doing ok. I'm up about 10 dollars but in all honesty I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I'm playing tight as a ducks ass and have managed 2 win a couple of hands.
Anyhow, keep the advice coming..... :D
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:56 pm GMT by suitedaces84
Use two from your hand and three from the board.
Thank you, thank you, my book will be available to the public shortly.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:07 pm GMT by Nut Flush
I like to assign my Omaha hands "points" from 1-6 and go from there. 5 and 6 point hands I'll raise from any position, 3 and 4 point from mid-late and rarely ever play a 1 or 2 point hand unless checked to me in the BB.
You get four cards, let's lable them ABCD. What you want is your hand to have the most possible combinations of working togther to make a hand, and with 4 cards, the most possible hands you can make is 6: AB, AC, AD, BC, BD, CD. Yes, it's that simple :D Mind you this is low limit online Omaha, but you don't need to get fancy to make money.
Here's some examples:
A  K Q  J
AB = Ace King suited
AC = Ace Queen offsuit
AC = Ace Jack offsuit
BC = King Queen offsuit
BD = King Jack offsuit
CD = Queen Jack suited
That's what I refer to as a 6 pointer and the pot should be raised.
Here's another:
9 9 3  K 
AB = pair of nines
AC = 93o otherwise know as crap
AD = K9o, also crap
BC = 93o, still crap
BD = K9o, more crap for the pile
CD = K3o, cherry on top for the crap
This is a typical 1 pointer that your typical poor Omaha player won't hesitate calling a raise with because "hey, I have a pair and just might hit a set." Not only is this crap, but notice how AC and BC are the same, as weell as AD and BD. Your hand is narrowed from 6 possibilties down to 4!
It's also possible to have a 6 pointer made from low cards, but these I only play in late position or try to limp in early if it's a weak table that doesn't raise much preflop. Use your own discretion with the lower connectors.
The 1 pointer above, by all means check the flop if it's your BB and hope for a set and take it from there. Any heavy betting and dump it.
Best advice is just be patient and play. The more hands you see, the more you will notice the differences between Hold Em and Omaha. Don't overvalue your pocket Aces if the other two cards don't fit the hand as well.
There are other point systems out there but for simplicity sake and the fact Party Poker $25 PLO games are pretty weak, this count works just fine.
Damn you and your Omaha questions  , now I want to start playing it again!
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:36 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| zeroswarm wrote: | | Nut Flush wrote: | | Quote: | | 4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... |
Bad Omaha advice right there, 4 connectors can be a very profitable hand in Omaha. Especially if they are big cards as well, hands like TJQK, AQJT, 9TJQ. And add another bonus if they're double suited.
Low connectors also play pretty well, stuff like 2345 and 5678 since it's a pretty well disguised hand. These play much better from late position though whereas the big connectors mentioned above can easily open the pot with a raise from EP. |
I've just read something giving similar advice so I guess Nut flush knows his stuff: to an extent at least..
I'm playing as I type and doing ok. I'm up about 10 dollars but in all honesty I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I'm playing tight as a ducks ass and have managed 2 win a couple of hands.
Anyhow, keep the advice coming..... :D |
Oh sure! I say it first but you give Nutflush all the credit!!! 
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:58 pm GMT by zeroswarm
| Soup_dog wrote: | | zeroswarm wrote: | | Nut Flush wrote: | | Quote: | | 4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... |
Bad Omaha advice right there, 4 connectors can be a very profitable hand in Omaha. Especially if they are big cards as well, hands like TJQK, AQJT, 9TJQ. And add another bonus if they're double suited.
Low connectors also play pretty well, stuff like 2345 and 5678 since it's a pretty well disguised hand. These play much better from late position though whereas the big connectors mentioned above can easily open the pot with a raise from EP. |
I've just read something giving similar advice so I guess Nut flush knows his stuff: to an extent at least..
I'm playing as I type and doing ok. I'm up about 10 dollars but in all honesty I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I'm playing tight as a ducks ass and have managed 2 win a couple of hands.
Anyhow, keep the advice coming..... :D |
Oh sure! I say it first but you give Nutflush all the credit!!! |
Did I do u an injustice, dog? Sry m8, no offense intended..... 
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:16 pm GMT by supafrey
this is omaha hi, i'm assuming? I have some tips but I'm sure nobody would give them credit
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:15 pm GMT by Phil14312
Don't think you have to raise with AAxx. In fact, I almost never raise unless I have a real good hand, AAKQ double-suited. Or AAxx where xx is a pair. If you always raise with AAxx, you are advertising your cards.
Remember, double-paired hands will flop a set almost 1/4 of the time.
Posted Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:36 pm GMT by Jernej Zorec
AAxx is pretty crap hand unless that xx makes it double suited
lets say i have AA83 rainbow i'd rather have 4567 if it has at least one suited pair
if u have AAxx and flop comes with flush draw u can get in trouble
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:52 am GMT by Nut Flush
| Quote: | | Don't think you have to raise with AAxx. |
It really depends what the "xx" is. Obviously table make up and the flow of the game come into play in your decisions but AAxx is not an automatic raise from me.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:24 pm GMT by weirdofreek
Play money is actually a decent place to practice omaha since it mimics the low limit ($50 and lower) pretty well.
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:45 pm GMT by tame_deuces
| suitedaces84 wrote: | Use two from your hand and three from the board.
Thank you, thank you, my book will be available to the public shortly. |
You know...ALOT of money shift hands in low stakes Omaha because some people forget that...alot......best advice ever. :D
Posted Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:15 pm GMT by Soup_dog
| zeroswarm wrote: | | Soup_dog wrote: | | zeroswarm wrote: | | Nut Flush wrote: | | Quote: | | 4 to a straight might actually be harmfull... |
Bad Omaha advice right there, 4 connectors can be a very profitable hand in Omaha. Especially if they are big cards as well, hands like TJQK, AQJT, 9TJQ. And add another bonus if they're double suited.
Low connectors also play pretty well, stuff like 2345 and 5678 since it's a pretty well disguised hand. These play much better from late position though whereas the big connectors mentioned above can easily open the pot with a raise from EP. |
I've just read something giving similar advice so I guess Nut flush knows his stuff: to an extent at least..
I'm playing as I type and doing ok. I'm up about 10 dollars but in all honesty I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I'm playing tight as a ducks ass and have managed 2 win a couple of hands.
Anyhow, keep the advice coming..... :D |
Oh sure! I say it first but you give Nutflush all the credit!!! |
Did I do u an injustice, dog? Sry m8, no offense intended..... |
Just hassling you! It takes a lot to offend me... mostly because I deserve a lot of it. :D
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